May 9, 2019, 3:08 pm
Last edit by: Goldorak
FLYING BLUE ULTIMATE
Main facts
Ultimate is the top status in FB. It may be added to Club 2000 – Skipper status.
While other FB status (Silver/Gold/Platinum) are based on experience points earning (XP), Ultimate status is obtained by Ultimate XP (UXP) earning. UXPs are earned exclusively on AF- and KL-coded (= marketed) flights, whatever the operating airline.
Some examples :
- CDG-JFK AF-marketing, AF-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- CDG-JFK DL-marketing, AF-operating : NON-eligible to UXP earning
- AMS-BOS KL-marketing, DL-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- BOS-IND KL-marketing, DL-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- SIN-SYD AF-marketing, QF-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- CDG-FCO AZ-marketing, AZ-operating : NON-eligible to UXP earning
XP earned via AFKL Amex cards are not eligible (those are XP and not UXP).
To qualify for Ultimate, it is needed to have 900 UXP over a year. It is similar to the normal XP counter, resetting as soon as the tier is reached. Ultimate is valid for 1 year once granted. Note 03/2023 : the qualification system just changed from 1800 UXP over 2 years to 900 UXP/1 year. Some transitional measures are in place for the current Ultimate members. See here for details about handling of transition period :
https://www.flyingblue.com/fr/landin...m_content=main
Since 03/2023, a rollover of surplus UXP (over 900) is now possible to the next year and only to the next year (example : year 1, the member earns 2000UXP. At the end of year 1, only 900 UXP will be rolled-over to year 2 and the remaining 1100 UXP earned in Y1 will be lost and not be transferred to year 3. If during year 2, the member earned 1000 new (fresh) UXP, 100 will be rolled-over to year 3.
Hard benefits
- All FB Platinum/Club 2000-Skipper benefits
- Access to a Travel Assistant service 24/7. They are reachable by phone or by email. In practice, from 8 pm to 8 am CET, calls are taken by the Platinum line.
- highest priority on waiting list and in case of irrops
- Possibility to register up to 8 persons who can benefit from Sky Priority services and lounge access when traveling with the Ultimate member and on same PNR (lounge access is only in AFKL lounges here).
- one companion Platinum card
- when the Ultimate member is flying P, 2 guests are allowed in CDG P lounge.
- Zone 1 boarding, irrespective of travel class.
- Access to Hertz Platinum status
- four one-class upgrade certificates per membership year, requiring 1 from W to J, or 2 from Y to J. Upgrades are confirmed instantly at the time of booking (via the Travel Assistant). One voucher = one way. Vouchers can also be used by one of the 8 registered friend/family members travelling by themselves. In case of a long-haul flight with a medium-haul connection/feeder (e.g. CDG-AMS-JFK), the medium-haul segment will be upgraded also with still only one voucher used. In case of 2 long-haul flights in connection (e,g. DXB-CDG-JFK), the use of 2 vouchers is required to upgrade the 2 segments. Upgrade vouchers are usable only on AF- or KL-marketing and operating flights and the PNR must contains only the AFKL flights to be upgraded (if the PNR contains other non-AFKL flights, you cannot upgrade even just the AFKL flights).
The upgrade coupons are valid as soon as you reach Ultimate and is valid for 12 months. The vouchers need to be used within the membership year, but can be applied for travel post expiry date.
Rules for eligible booking classes for the upgrade vouchers are described below :
AF flights, long-haul
Premium Eco to Business
Original booking class : A, S, W
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C (it means that if the flight has only J fare available, one cannot upgrade)
Eco to Business (all flights, except to/from USA, Canada, Mexico)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C (it means that if the flight has only J fare available, one cannot upgrade)
Eco to Business (flights to/from USA, Canada, Mexico, including LAX-PPT)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N
Upgraded booking class : Z, C
KL flights, long-haul
Eco to Business (all flights, except to/from USA, Canada, Mexico and DEL)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C
Eco to Business (flights to/from USA, Canada, Mexico and DEL)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N
Upgraded booking class : Z, I.
Airline-specific soft (unpublished) benefits
- AF, KL and contract staff at airports have a popup message on their computer screen when checking-in an Ultimate pax or when scanning a BP at the lounge (AFKL lounges only) asking them to be attentive at any special request of the Ultimate pax. See also below for airport-specific soft benefits. There is no known official policy for operational upgrades of Ultimates, but Ultimate members have all reported on FT a higher rate of op-up (but those remain rare !).
- AF and KL cabin crews are instructed to provide extra care and attentions on-board. It can take different forms : special greetings, extra amenities (pillow, oshibori, etc), F&B from the upper class, upgrades on board (Y to J medium haul, W to J or Y to W long haul), earlier and quicker meal service. This is not systematic and is up to the appreciation of the crew. Based on the reports of Ultimate members of this forum, AF crews seems to be more compliant than KL crews with those directives, although there has been several reports in this thread of nice attentions provided by KL crews.- Unlimited downloads (any day) in AF PLAY app.
Other Skyteam airlines do not provide any extra service or attentions to FB Ultimate passengers.
Airport-specific soft (unpublished) benefits
All benefits below should be understood for departure, unless otherwise noted. In addition to what is mentioned below, it has been reported several cases of expedited transfers organised by AFKL staff in case of short/endangered connection at various airports.
Please complete/edit this list as needed.
AFKL HUBS
Amsterdam
- AMS : some reserved tables in the Non-Schengen lounges. Reserved area in the Schengen lounge (need to ask staff at long entrance). Pre-boarding sometimes granted at the gate.
Paris CDG
Paris ORY
EUROPE
Austria
- VIE: no special treatment to report
Croatia
- DBV: no special treatment to report
- SPU: no special treatment to report (not even lounge access)
Czech Republic
- PRG: no special treatment to report. Pre-boarding refused.
Denmark
- CPH: no special treatment to report
France (non-hubs)
- AJA: no special treatment to reportMain facts
Ultimate is the top status in FB. It may be added to Club 2000 – Skipper status.
While other FB status (Silver/Gold/Platinum) are based on experience points earning (XP), Ultimate status is obtained by Ultimate XP (UXP) earning. UXPs are earned exclusively on AF- and KL-coded (= marketed) flights, whatever the operating airline.
Some examples :
- CDG-JFK AF-marketing, AF-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- CDG-JFK DL-marketing, AF-operating : NON-eligible to UXP earning
- AMS-BOS KL-marketing, DL-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- BOS-IND KL-marketing, DL-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- SIN-SYD AF-marketing, QF-operating : eligible to UXP earning
- CDG-FCO AZ-marketing, AZ-operating : NON-eligible to UXP earning
XP earned via AFKL Amex cards are not eligible (those are XP and not UXP).
To qualify for Ultimate, it is needed to have 900 UXP over a year. It is similar to the normal XP counter, resetting as soon as the tier is reached. Ultimate is valid for 1 year once granted. Note 03/2023 : the qualification system just changed from 1800 UXP over 2 years to 900 UXP/1 year. Some transitional measures are in place for the current Ultimate members. See here for details about handling of transition period :
https://www.flyingblue.com/fr/landin...m_content=main
Since 03/2023, a rollover of surplus UXP (over 900) is now possible to the next year and only to the next year (example : year 1, the member earns 2000UXP. At the end of year 1, only 900 UXP will be rolled-over to year 2 and the remaining 1100 UXP earned in Y1 will be lost and not be transferred to year 3. If during year 2, the member earned 1000 new (fresh) UXP, 100 will be rolled-over to year 3.
Hard benefits
- All FB Platinum/Club 2000-Skipper benefits
- Access to a Travel Assistant service 24/7. They are reachable by phone or by email. In practice, from 8 pm to 8 am CET, calls are taken by the Platinum line.
- highest priority on waiting list and in case of irrops
- Possibility to register up to 8 persons who can benefit from Sky Priority services and lounge access when traveling with the Ultimate member and on same PNR (lounge access is only in AFKL lounges here).
- one companion Platinum card
- when the Ultimate member is flying P, 2 guests are allowed in CDG P lounge.
- Zone 1 boarding, irrespective of travel class.
- Access to Hertz Platinum status
- four one-class upgrade certificates per membership year, requiring 1 from W to J, or 2 from Y to J. Upgrades are confirmed instantly at the time of booking (via the Travel Assistant). One voucher = one way. Vouchers can also be used by one of the 8 registered friend/family members travelling by themselves. In case of a long-haul flight with a medium-haul connection/feeder (e.g. CDG-AMS-JFK), the medium-haul segment will be upgraded also with still only one voucher used. In case of 2 long-haul flights in connection (e,g. DXB-CDG-JFK), the use of 2 vouchers is required to upgrade the 2 segments. Upgrade vouchers are usable only on AF- or KL-marketing and operating flights and the PNR must contains only the AFKL flights to be upgraded (if the PNR contains other non-AFKL flights, you cannot upgrade even just the AFKL flights).
The upgrade coupons are valid as soon as you reach Ultimate and is valid for 12 months. The vouchers need to be used within the membership year, but can be applied for travel post expiry date.
Rules for eligible booking classes for the upgrade vouchers are described below :
AF flights, long-haul
Premium Eco to Business
Original booking class : A, S, W
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C (it means that if the flight has only J fare available, one cannot upgrade)
Eco to Business (all flights, except to/from USA, Canada, Mexico)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C (it means that if the flight has only J fare available, one cannot upgrade)
Eco to Business (flights to/from USA, Canada, Mexico, including LAX-PPT)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N
Upgraded booking class : Z, C
KL flights, long-haul
Eco to Business (all flights, except to/from USA, Canada, Mexico and DEL)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R
Upgraded booking class : Z, I, D, C
Eco to Business (flights to/from USA, Canada, Mexico and DEL)
Original booking class : Y, B, M, U, K, H, L, Q, T, N
Upgraded booking class : Z, I.
Airline-specific soft (unpublished) benefits
- AF, KL and contract staff at airports have a popup message on their computer screen when checking-in an Ultimate pax or when scanning a BP at the lounge (AFKL lounges only) asking them to be attentive at any special request of the Ultimate pax. See also below for airport-specific soft benefits. There is no known official policy for operational upgrades of Ultimates, but Ultimate members have all reported on FT a higher rate of op-up (but those remain rare !).
- AF and KL cabin crews are instructed to provide extra care and attentions on-board. It can take different forms : special greetings, extra amenities (pillow, oshibori, etc), F&B from the upper class, upgrades on board (Y to J medium haul, W to J or Y to W long haul), earlier and quicker meal service. This is not systematic and is up to the appreciation of the crew. Based on the reports of Ultimate members of this forum, AF crews seems to be more compliant than KL crews with those directives, although there has been several reports in this thread of nice attentions provided by KL crews.- Unlimited downloads (any day) in AF PLAY app.
Other Skyteam airlines do not provide any extra service or attentions to FB Ultimate passengers.
Airport-specific soft (unpublished) benefits
All benefits below should be understood for departure, unless otherwise noted. In addition to what is mentioned below, it has been reported several cases of expedited transfers organised by AFKL staff in case of short/endangered connection at various airports.
Please complete/edit this list as needed.
AFKL HUBS
Amsterdam
- AMS : some reserved tables in the Non-Schengen lounges. Reserved area in the Schengen lounge (need to ask staff at long entrance). Pre-boarding sometimes granted at the gate.
Paris CDG
- CDG 2E:
- Departure : Escort from check-in to immigration in the morning (super fast track). Reserved space at K/L/M lounges. Pre-boarding upon request at the gate before beginning of general boarding
- Arrival : access to dedicated lane at passport control, all the way to the left, follow the "ULTIMATE" sign.
- Departure : There is a special Ultimate check-in counter in the SkyP zone (on the left of terminal). Reserved room in the lounge. Pre-boarding upon request at the gate before beginning of general boarding. Escort is provided from the counter to security (skipping the line).
- Arrival : no special treatment to report
- Departure : Reserved space in the lounge
- Arrival : no special treatment to report
Paris ORY
- Departure : Reserved space at Schengen and non-Schengen lounges. Pre-boarding upon request at the lounge.
- Arrival : no special treatment to report
EUROPE
Austria
- VIE: no special treatment to report
Croatia
- DBV: no special treatment to report
- SPU: no special treatment to report (not even lounge access)
Czech Republic
- PRG: no special treatment to report. Pre-boarding refused.
Denmark
- CPH: no special treatment to report
France (non-hubs)
- BES: no special treatment to report
- BIQ: no special treatment to report
- BOD: pre-boarding from lounge to plane inconsistently proposed
- CDG: see top of the list in "AFKL hubs".
- LYS: Escort from lounge to plane when flying from B gates provided upon request . Preboarding with escort to the plane consistently provided.
- MPL: pre-boarding with escort from lounge to plane, sometimes proposed (AF agent comes to the contract lounge to meet the Ultimate guest)
- MRS: no special treatment to report
- NCE: Reserved area in Infinity lounge (inconsistently provided : seems to be provided only when lounge crowded). Pre-boarding with escort from lounge to plane, sometimes proposed.
- NTE: no special treatment to report
- ORY: see top of the list in "AFKL hubs".
- PUF: bypass queue at security and pre-boarding provided upon request
- RNS: bypass queue at security and pre-boarding provided upon request
- TLS: Escort from check in to lounge inconsistently provided. Pre-boarding consistently provided
Germany
- BER: no special treatment to report
- DUS: no special treatment to report
- FRA: no special treatment to report
- HAM: no special treatment to report
- HAJ: No special treatment to report.
- MUC: Reserved area in the lounge, escort from lounge to plane with pre-boarding proposed.
- STR: reserved area in the lounge, pre-boarding
Greece
- ATH: no special treatment to report
- HER: no special treatment to report
- JTR: no special treatment to report
Hungary
- BUD: escort through security from check-in to lounge proposed
Ireland
- DUB: no special treatment to report
Italy
- BLQ: escort from check-in to lounge, and through security to plane.
- BRI: no special treatment to report
- CTA: no special treatment to report
- FCO: no special treatment to report
- FLR: no special treatment to report
- LIN: no special treatment to report
- MXP: pre-boarding granted by request
- VCE: escort through security from check-in to lounge, pre-boarding with escort from lounge to plane (not always consistently proposed)
- NAP: no special treatment to report
Netherlands
- AMS: see top of the list in "AFKL hubs".
Norway
- OSL: no special treatment to report
- TRF: no special treatment to report
- KRS: no special treatment to report
- SVG: no special treatment to report
Poland
- WAW: no special treatment to report
- KRK: no special treatment to report
- GDN: no special treatment to report
Portugal
- LIS: pre-boarding proposed upon request
Russia
- SVO: no special treatment to report
- LED: no special treatment to report
Spain
- AGP: no special treatment to report
- BCN: no special treatment to report
- MAD: no special treatment to report
- PMI: no special treatment to report
- SVQ: no special treatment to report
- TFS: no special treatment to report
- VLC: no special treatment to report
Sweden
- ARN: no special treatment to report
- GOT: no special treatment to report
Switzerland
- GVA: pre-boarding upon request. Reserved area in the lounge
- ZRH: no special treatment
United Kingdom
- ABZ: no special treatment to report
- EDI: no special treatment to report
- LHR: no special treatment to report
NORTH AMERICA
Canada
- YUL: Escort from check-in to lounge upon request. Reserved area in lounge, pre-boarding with escort from lounge to plane
- YYZ: escort on arrival through immigration, consistently offered. / Escort from check-in to lounge and from lounge to airplane
- YQB: escort from check-in to lounge proposed
- YVR: no special treatment to report
USA
- ATL: no special treatment to report (in connection)
- BOS: escort through security from check-in to lounge, pre-boarding, all consistently provided mostly spontaneously, sometimes upon request. A separate room in the AF lounge is also proposed.
- DTW: no special treatment to report (starting from DTW or in connection)
- IAD: escort through security from check-in to lounge upon request, but inconsistently provided. Reserved area at the lounge.
- IAH: no special treatment to report
- JFK (AF only / terminal 1) : reserved table in the dining area of the lounge (upstairs),
- JFK (KL only / terminal 4) : no special treatments to report.
- LAX: no special treatment to report
- ORD: On arrival, escort through immigration (not consistently provided). On departure, escort through security to lounge and from lounge to plane (pre-boarding)
- MSP: no special treatment to report, except one case of special DL Elite VIP treatment with expedited immigration and Porsche transfer to/from lounge (not a regular benefit to expect)
- SEA: pre-boarding with escort to plane
- SFO: reserved area in lounge
Mexico
- MEX (Terminal 1): escort through security to lounge with access to dedicated space. Ride from lounge to gate. Sometimes escort on arrival
CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
- BOG: no special treatment to report
- LIM: escort to lounge, provided spontaneously
- GIG: Pre-boarding upon request.
- GRU: escort in case of short connection upon request, inconsistently provided; as of 02/2024 pre-boarding offered at check-in and provided by gate-staff (inconsistently provided).
- SCL: as of 03/2024 escort to lounge offered at departure check-in, pick-up from lounge and pre-boarding done
- EZE: escort to lounge with special crew lane for immigration provided spontaneously
ASIA / PACIFIC
- BKK: escort through security from check-in to lounge, upon request but inconsistently proposed. In connection : escort in case of short connection (better to request it before departure).
- BLR: escort from lounge to gate, pre-boarding provided
- BOM : escort from plane to immigration, and from checkin to the lounge
- DEL: as of 01/2024 escort upon arrival; proactive pre-departure call to arrange terminal entry via VIP entrance and escort to gate for pre-boarding (if lounge used, offered to pick up for pre-boarding)
- HKG: no special treatment to report.
- HND: Arrival : new 09/2023 = escort through immigration. Departure : escort from check-in desk to private (crew) security, proposed spontaneously
- KIX: Arrival : escort through immigration, wait at baggage claim. Departure : escort from check-in desk to lounge All proposed spontaneously
- SIN: no special treatment to report
CARIBBEAN & INDIAN OCEAN
- CUR: no special treatment to report, there is no (sky)priority lane for security or immigration, but escort/short track is available for 100 $.
- HAV: at departure, escort from check in counters until security checks. Pre-boarding offered. No escort at arrival. No reserved space in Lounge.
- FDF: No reserved space in Lounge. Pre-boarding upon request at the gate.
- MRU: escort on arrival through immigration. Unknown for departures (no data point)
- PTP: Reserved table in lounge. Pre-boarding upon request at the lounge with escort from lounge to plane.
- RUN: Pre-boarding proposed at check-in and in the lounge, with escort from lounge to plane. Reserved seats in lounge
- SXM: Escort for incoming transit pax (from/to AF flight) through passport controls and security, pre-boarding pro-actively offered for AF departure
MIDDLE EAST
- AUH : no special treatment to report
- BEY: no special treatment to report
- DXB: escort from check-in to lounge and from lounge to plane, all upon request, consistently provided. Access to the Ahlan lounge (normally reserved for P pax) instead of Skyteam lounge.
- JED: no special treatment to report
- RUH: no special treatment to report
- IST: no special treatment to report
AFRICA
- AGA: escort from check in to lounge and from lounge to aircraft, provided spontaneously
- CAI: no special treatment to report
- CMN: escort on arrival through immigration (not always consistently provided)
- CPT: escort from counter to lounge, provided spontaneously
- JNB: escort from counter to lounge (no fast track at immigration), provided spontaneously
- LOS: no special treatment to report
- RAK: escort on arrival, upon request (not provided on departure)
- RBA: on departure : escort to lounge and to plane, provided spontaneously.
- TUN: escort on arrival through immigration provided. Escort from check-in to lounge provided
- ZNZ: no special treatment to report (not even lounge access)
Flying Blue Platinum Ultimate Status
Feb 17, 2021, 7:47 am
#3346
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: GRU/LIS
Programs: FB Platinum, Smiles/GOL Diamond, LATAM Black, ALL Platinum
Posts: 281
After several discussions with FB, I would like to share my experience :
I recently bought and flew a LYS-LRH sold by AF, operated by Chalair, with an AF flight code while performing the booking, and confirmation that UXP would be granted (screenshot).
Once I receive the e-ticket, I notice that the flight changed to CE0812 and had no code-share with an AF flight. The ticket is issued by AF (057xxx).
Could you confirm if it is subject to any UXP ?
I am not looking for the 2 UXP here but just to test the consistency of FB in that particular case. So far they did not provide any -accurate- information.
thanks for your help
I recently bought and flew a LYS-LRH sold by AF, operated by Chalair, with an AF flight code while performing the booking, and confirmation that UXP would be granted (screenshot).
Once I receive the e-ticket, I notice that the flight changed to CE0812 and had no code-share with an AF flight. The ticket is issued by AF (057xxx).
Could you confirm if it is subject to any UXP ?
I am not looking for the 2 UXP here but just to test the consistency of FB in that particular case. So far they did not provide any -accurate- information.
thanks for your help
Feb 17, 2021, 9:43 am
#3347
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,052
i do not get you with your problem of qualification.
If your status matures in March, it mean that your 2 years of qualification are based on 2019 and 2020. As 2019 was a non COVID year , they will consider the UXP earned during that year and add 900 UXP + the few UXP you had in 2020.
Except if you have generated just a few UXP in 2019, you should be qualified in March for ULTI.
Did I miss something ?
Feb 17, 2021, 10:32 am
#3348
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: CW
Programs: Marriott titanium, KL/AF FB Ulti
Posts: 644
Hi Tro78,
i do not get you with your problem of qualification.
If your status matures in March, it mean that your 2 years of qualification are based on 2019 and 2020. As 2019 was a non COVID year , they will consider the UXP earned during that year and add 900 UXP + the few UXP you had in 2020.
Except if you have generated just a few UXP in 2019, you should be qualified in March for ULTI.
Did I miss something ?
i do not get you with your problem of qualification.
If your status matures in March, it mean that your 2 years of qualification are based on 2019 and 2020. As 2019 was a non COVID year , they will consider the UXP earned during that year and add 900 UXP + the few UXP you had in 2020.
Except if you have generated just a few UXP in 2019, you should be qualified in March for ULTI.
Did I miss something ?
For ultis with qualification 2020/2021 it might get difficult. Flights are likely to be disrupted for over 12 months and only 900 UXP are compensated so far..
Feb 17, 2021, 12:24 pm
#3349
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,954
I did.
But I reported to the FB manager that they offered 1 full effective year of status to any Elite member. For Ultimate it is only a push up to potentially help you. This was not sufficient for a little (1700UXP). Knowing my activity is cycling more or less every 2-3 year, 2020 would normally have granted me way more than half a qualification period (900UXP).
If they did not do anything, result would have been the same for me...
But I reported to the FB manager that they offered 1 full effective year of status to any Elite member. For Ultimate it is only a push up to potentially help you. This was not sufficient for a little (1700UXP). Knowing my activity is cycling more or less every 2-3 year, 2020 would normally have granted me way more than half a qualification period (900UXP).
If they did not do anything, result would have been the same for me...
Hi Tro78,
i do not get you with your problem of qualification.
If your status matures in March, it mean that your 2 years of qualification are based on 2019 and 2020. As 2019 was a non COVID year , they will consider the UXP earned during that year and add 900 UXP + the few UXP you had in 2020.
Except if you have generated just a few UXP in 2019, you should be qualified in March for ULTI.
Did I miss something ?
i do not get you with your problem of qualification.
If your status matures in March, it mean that your 2 years of qualification are based on 2019 and 2020. As 2019 was a non COVID year , they will consider the UXP earned during that year and add 900 UXP + the few UXP you had in 2020.
Except if you have generated just a few UXP in 2019, you should be qualified in March for ULTI.
Did I miss something ?
- too bad that you didn't find a way to earn those missing 100 UXP before end 2020, as with the double UXP earning it was quite easy to achieve with a XP run.
- a new "UXP push" gift from FB now will not help you at all as your qualification period has already ended on 31/12/2020 (your qualification period is not ending on 31/03/2021 - it was 31/12/2020).
Assuming that flights in 2019 and Jan/Feb/March 2020 haven't been impacted, requalification should have been easily possible with the extra UXPs. Unless those who were already behind on requalifying before March 2020, with less than 900 UXP collected in 15 months Jan19-Mar20, it's a difficult case.
) and nothing exciting coming with the current restrictions in France, apart a few domestic or EU trips, which may get cancelled depending on last-minute measures taken by governments.
Feb 19, 2021, 4:46 am
#3350
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 158
Here is the situation. My new qualification period was 2019-2020 and I ended with 1700 UXP. As I failed to requalify they deducted 2019 earning and my new qualification period is now 2020-2021 (kind of rolling qualif period). As of today I have 1128 UXP. 2021 will probably be very difficult again to travel that’s why they just annonced status will be maintained one more year. As a gesture as been done for us in 2020, I guess another one should be done for 2021 as they did for all other Elite members.
If they give 900UXP for 2021 before end of March I will benefit of them as a current ULTI member. If they give them in April after I lose my status, I will get nothing as only active ULTI got the push last time.
To sum up, if I get the push, I will requalify, if not, it is very uncertain.
If they give 900UXP for 2021 before end of March I will benefit of them as a current ULTI member. If they give them in April after I lose my status, I will get nothing as only active ULTI got the push last time.
To sum up, if I get the push, I will requalify, if not, it is very uncertain.
Feb 19, 2021, 5:14 am
#3351
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 56
Dear Tro78
I'm not sure I got it
Please let me try and compute
You ended 2020 with 1700uxp. among these 900 were a "gift" from AF in june 2020
it means that you had earned, on your own, 800 for 2019-2020
now you got 1128
let's assume you have not flown in 2021. you have "lost" 572. it means that you had gained
* 572 in 2019
* 228 in 2020
you seem to be far from the "average" 900 per year
if you have flown in 2021, and, say, gained 100. it makes your data as such :
* you started 2021 with 1028
* you gained 672 in 2019
* you gained 128 in 2020
what you request from AF is that they give you another 900 - after the 900 they gave you in 2020 - so you can keep Ulti until 31 march 2023
is that right ?
best regards
I'm not sure I got it
Please let me try and compute
You ended 2020 with 1700uxp. among these 900 were a "gift" from AF in june 2020
it means that you had earned, on your own, 800 for 2019-2020
now you got 1128
let's assume you have not flown in 2021. you have "lost" 572. it means that you had gained
* 572 in 2019
* 228 in 2020
you seem to be far from the "average" 900 per year
if you have flown in 2021, and, say, gained 100. it makes your data as such :
* you started 2021 with 1028
* you gained 672 in 2019
* you gained 128 in 2020
what you request from AF is that they give you another 900 - after the 900 they gave you in 2020 - so you can keep Ulti until 31 march 2023
is that right ?
best regards
Feb 20, 2021, 2:17 am
#3352
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,954
Here is the situation. My new qualification period was 2019-2020 and I ended with 1700 UXP. As I failed to requalify they deducted 2019 earning and my new qualification period is now 2020-2021 (kind of rolling qualif period). As of today I have 1128 UXP. 2021 will probably be very difficult again to travel that’s why they just annonced status will be maintained one more year. As a gesture as been done for us in 2020, I guess another one should be done for 2021 as they did for all other Elite members.
If they give 900UXP for 2021 before end of March I will benefit of them as a current ULTI member. If they give them in April after I lose my status, I will get nothing as only active ULTI got the push last time.
To sum up, if I get the push, I will requalify, if not, it is very uncertain.
If they give 900UXP for 2021 before end of March I will benefit of them as a current ULTI member. If they give them in April after I lose my status, I will get nothing as only active ULTI got the push last time.
To sum up, if I get the push, I will requalify, if not, it is very uncertain.
- you became Ulti beginning of 2019, based on your 2017-2018 earnings.
- your Ulti status was valid for 2019+2020 (+ the classical FB "extension" until end march of year N+1 = march 2021), during which you should have earned 1800 UXP to renew your Ulti status.
- but you have earned "only" 1700 (including the 900 push) during this 2019-2020 period
There is something you have apparently not understood : you believe you are still Ultimate in 2021, but this is wrong. You have not requalified for 2021-2022 before end 2020, so even if there was a new push of some UXP before end march, you won't be Ulti again now. The "grace period" of the 1st quarter of year N+1 is just allowing you to still enjoy Elite + benefits and likely the access to the TA team while the new cards are on their way, but that's it. For instance, you won't benefit for the 2021 upgrade coupons, because those are for Ultimates in 2021. Your new status since 01/01/2021 is Platinum, but you can still use the Ulti card (and enjoy a few benefits) until end march 2021. I am pretty sure that you see this "regular" Platinum status in your FB profile and not anymore the Ultimate one.
Also, if there was a new gift of some UXP now (or later during the year), you won't get them because you are not anymore an Ultimate member for the 2021-2022 period.
As you rightly said, you can start a new qualification for Ulti and it will be based on 2020+2021 earnings. You said that you have now 1128 UXP in bank after they deducted your 2019 earnings. Those 1128 are therefore for 2020 and I suppose they correspond to 228 UXP earned with flights in 2020 and 900 UXP with the FB push. If you earn 672 UXP (=1800-1128) in 2021 you will become again Ultimate in one year from now, for the 2022-2023 period. So, in summary, you are not anymore Ultimate in 2021.
Feb 20, 2021, 11:01 am
#3354
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 158
I believe I am starting to understand your situation, but you are unfortunately wrong on some points (related to the part I have put in bold in your post). Facts are:
- you became Ulti beginning of 2019, based on your 2017-2018 earnings.
- your Ulti status was valid for 2019+2020 (+ the classical FB "extension" until end march of year N+1 = march 2021), during which you should have earned 1800 UXP to renew your Ulti status.
- but you have earned "only" 1700 (including the 900 push) during this 2019-2020 period
There is something you have apparently not understood : you believe you are still Ultimate in 2021, but this is wrong. You have not requalified for 2021-2022 before end 2020, so even if there was a new push of some UXP before end march, you won't be Ulti again now. The "grace period" of the 1st quarter of year N+1 is just allowing you to still enjoy Elite + benefits and likely the access to the TA team while the new cards are on their way, but that's it. For instance, you won't benefit for the 2021 upgrade coupons, because those are for Ultimates in 2021. Your new status since 01/01/2021 is Platinum, but you can still use the Ulti card (and enjoy a few benefits) until end march 2021. I am pretty sure that you see this "regular" Platinum status in your FB profile and not anymore the Ultimate one.
Also, if there was a new gift of some UXP now (or later during the year), you won't get them because you are not anymore an Ultimate member for the 2021-2022 period.
As you rightly said, you can start a new qualification for Ulti and it will be based on 2020+2021 earnings. You said that you have now 1128 UXP in bank after they deducted your 2019 earnings. Those 1128 are therefore for 2020 and I suppose they correspond to 228 UXP earned with flights in 2020 and 900 UXP with the FB push. If you earn 672 UXP (=1800-1128) in 2021 you will become again Ultimate in one year from now, for the 2022-2023 period. So, in summary, you are not anymore Ultimate in 2021.
- you became Ulti beginning of 2019, based on your 2017-2018 earnings.
- your Ulti status was valid for 2019+2020 (+ the classical FB "extension" until end march of year N+1 = march 2021), during which you should have earned 1800 UXP to renew your Ulti status.
- but you have earned "only" 1700 (including the 900 push) during this 2019-2020 period
There is something you have apparently not understood : you believe you are still Ultimate in 2021, but this is wrong. You have not requalified for 2021-2022 before end 2020, so even if there was a new push of some UXP before end march, you won't be Ulti again now. The "grace period" of the 1st quarter of year N+1 is just allowing you to still enjoy Elite + benefits and likely the access to the TA team while the new cards are on their way, but that's it. For instance, you won't benefit for the 2021 upgrade coupons, because those are for Ultimates in 2021. Your new status since 01/01/2021 is Platinum, but you can still use the Ulti card (and enjoy a few benefits) until end march 2021. I am pretty sure that you see this "regular" Platinum status in your FB profile and not anymore the Ultimate one.
Also, if there was a new gift of some UXP now (or later during the year), you won't get them because you are not anymore an Ultimate member for the 2021-2022 period.
As you rightly said, you can start a new qualification for Ulti and it will be based on 2020+2021 earnings. You said that you have now 1128 UXP in bank after they deducted your 2019 earnings. Those 1128 are therefore for 2020 and I suppose they correspond to 228 UXP earned with flights in 2020 and 900 UXP with the FB push. If you earn 672 UXP (=1800-1128) in 2021 you will become again Ultimate in one year from now, for the 2022-2023 period. So, in summary, you are not anymore Ultimate in 2021.
I understand your point but I think you are not fully right. For ULTI the Jan-march period is not the nice extension for other Elite members. Remember that we become official ULTI on April 1st. Like all of you, we are regular platinum from Jan 1st to March 31st until official status activates (except if you were already ULTI). Thus my official ULTI period is April 01 2019 to March 31st 2021. My ULTI status is still shown on the App.
As a consequence, if a push is decided for ULTI in 2021 as they did for all other Elite members, I am currently still eligible I guess. If that happens, I could be ULTI again starting April 1st 2022 after a one year drop to PFL.
Am I wrong?
Last edited by Tro78; Feb 21, 2021 at 1:25 am
Feb 20, 2021, 11:10 am
#3355
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 158
no it’s not that. My ULTI status is definitely lost between March 2021 and March 2022. My question is: Will I requalify starting April 2022.
A gesture has been done in 2020 for Elite and ULTI. A new gesture has just been done for Elite in 2021. I guess something should be done also for ULTI in 2021. Some lucky guys in this forum are able to fly. Like some others, I am very very penalized by the situation and my flight activity just dropped close to 0 since March 2020. I flew a lot to the US and Asia and most of these countries are still just closed...
See my above answer to Goldorak.
Feb 20, 2021, 11:54 am
#3356
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,954
Hello Goldorak
I understand your point but I think you are not fully right. For ULTI the Jan-march period is not the nice extension for other Elite members. Remember that we become official ULTI on April 1st. Like all you we are regular platinum from Jan 1st to March 31st until official status activates (except if you were already ULTI). Thus my official ULTI period is April 01 2019 to March 31st 2021. My ULTI status is still shown on the App.
As a consequence, if a push is decided for ULTI in 2021 as they did for all other Elite members, I am currently still eligible I guess. If that happens, I could be ULTI again starting April 1st 2022 after a one year drop to PFL.
Am I wrong?
I understand your point but I think you are not fully right. For ULTI the Jan-march period is not the nice extension for other Elite members. Remember that we become official ULTI on April 1st. Like all you we are regular platinum from Jan 1st to March 31st until official status activates (except if you were already ULTI). Thus my official ULTI period is April 01 2019 to March 31st 2021. My ULTI status is still shown on the App.
As a consequence, if a push is decided for ULTI in 2021 as they did for all other Elite members, I am currently still eligible I guess. If that happens, I could be ULTI again starting April 1st 2022 after a one year drop to PFL.
Am I wrong?
Last edited by Goldorak; Feb 20, 2021 at 2:40 pm
Feb 21, 2021, 1:39 am
#3357
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 158
Hello Tro78. The qualification period is 01/01 year #1 to 31/12 year #2. As you did not requalify, if you want to be Ulti again, your new year #1 is 2020 and your new year #2 is 2021. You can see this on the screenshot you posted. The end of the qualification period is not 31/03 as you can see.
Feb 21, 2021, 3:26 am
#3358
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,052
I fully agree and that’s what I wrote but keep in mind there is a 3 months offset between end of qualification period and start of ULTI status. I am still officially ULTI for 6 weeks (as I was not officially ULTI between Jan and March 2019 pending status activation). So I would assume I am currently eligible if an ULTI push is decided. This would be of great help for my 2020-2021 qualification period as I fear 2021 will be again very poor in terms of flight activity.
As it has been stated previously the qualification period remains based on the regular calendar years. There is a reset of UXP on Dec 31st.
Feb 22, 2021, 12:29 am
#3359
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 158
There is no misunderstanding. We all say the same thing. Qualification period is not the question. I just say that my active ULTI period runs until March as it started in April 2019 ( that’s the way the program is set up as of today and this has been deeply discussed in this forum in the past).
Now the question remains to know if a gesture is being done for ULTI in 2021 as it has just been done for other Elite members. And who would be eligible to receive it.
Feb 22, 2021, 12:35 am
#3360
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Diamond / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,042
Flew yesterday from MUC to CDG in C
Absolutely nothing on board, not even a "Hello" or "welcome Sir". We were 3 pax in C and service was expedited without extra mile.
It was one of the most unfriendly chief purser I had for a long long time.
I called TA in the afternoon to ask if it was exceptionally possible to have an agent waiting in CDG to be able to skip the mess I experienced last sunday (no SP lane, only 2 ppl checking PCR test for over 100 passengers...).
Answer from TA a few hours later : we're sorry but most of us are in partial activity so no one will be waiting for you in CDG, hope it goes OK
Let's hope that my flight to BCN tonight will be better
Absolutely nothing on board, not even a "Hello" or "welcome Sir". We were 3 pax in C and service was expedited without extra mile.
It was one of the most unfriendly chief purser I had for a long long time.
I called TA in the afternoon to ask if it was exceptionally possible to have an agent waiting in CDG to be able to skip the mess I experienced last sunday (no SP lane, only 2 ppl checking PCR test for over 100 passengers...).
Answer from TA a few hours later : we're sorry but most of us are in partial activity so no one will be waiting for you in CDG, hope it goes OK
Let's hope that my flight to BCN tonight will be better