Finally! CDG launches new numbering of terminals and gates
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Nothing really, the only thing some people found confusing was the K, L, M gates within 2E. No big deal, but they could have addressed this by just calling those gates E1 to Esomething. Instead of doing it simple, they have come to this choc de simplification
that will be quite costly when you think about it. So ADP...
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1) What was wrong: the numbering of terminals wasnt intuitive at all, did not reflect latest real estate changes (=merging 2B/D and 2A/C), and was partly totally confusing (2E-K,L and M). Therefore, yes, there was something that needed fixing.
2) Is the new concept better: opinions differ, but personally I find the re-numbering of terminals useful and more intuitive. Where they then throw away any gain in intuitiveness is by giving letters to boarding areas, which not only is not necessary but also is done in a totally random and non-sensical way. Its a situation where the result obtained by addressing a real flaw is worse than the original situation. Some sort of degradenhancement (German speakers recognise Verschlimmbesserung)
End result: the new labelling may not be much better than the existing one.
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Where they then throw away any gain in intuitiveness is by giving letters to boarding areas, which not only is not necessary but also is done in a totally random and non-sensical way. Its a situation where the result obtained by addressing a real flaw is worse than the original situation
The new flow of passengers will be very simple: Check-in (if applicable) at the terminal noted at your ticket, then follow signs for the gate area mentioned on your boarding pass. I can't see how this could be improved. Dropping letters from the gate numbers would only create more confusion, because suddenly you'd have no easy way to tell passengers to go e.g. to F gates before knowing which particular F gate will be asigned to their flight. And no, you can't use terminal number because gates don't correspond to "check-in terminals" 100%, and again, trying to tell passenger that they should "check-in in terminal 5 and head to gates at terminal 4" is no better than the proposed setup, not to mention that it's not supported by data structure of flight data in GDS and other systems (there's just one terminal number).
The same setup as proposed here exists at VIE, which is my home base. You arrive to the airport, head to the terminal noted at your ticket for check-in, then follow the signs to the gate area (C, D, F, G) on your boarding pass - any terminal / gate area combo is allowed (e.g. T3 has departures from C, F and G gates, possibly D too). It's extremely intuitive and I don't encounter dozens of lost passengers confused by why there's no E gates.
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There is 0 reason why gate numbers should be tied to departure terminal. Indeed there is a very good reason why they shouldn't - the layout of airside areas does not correspond to the layout of landside areas.
The reason that 2E-KLM confuses people because they have to go from E to K/L/M not because they have to go from 2 to K/L/M.
The reason that 2E-KLM confuses people because they have to go from E to K/L/M not because they have to go from 2 to K/L/M.
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But in airports where there are distinct terminal buildings (CDG, JFK, LHR), there is no need. Which means that in the case of CDG, with the exception of the new Terminal 5 which has distinction boarding concourses (some need to be reached by train, others not), there is no such need. You check in Terminal 1, you go to gate number x or y, which are necessarily in that terminal. You check in Terminal 2, you go to gate number x or y. And so on.
Alternatively, if one really is convinced that there have be no two gates with the same number in the entire airport, you could just prefix every gate number with the first number of the terminal. All gates in T1 start with 1xx, in T2 they are gates 2xx, and so on.
I agree with you, many people dont think about certain things, they just follow signs. So they can just as well follow signs to Gate 1xx which would logically be in T1 or follow signs to Gate 6xx which would logically be in T6. There is no need to use those letters, which just add another layer of structure (fair enough, if you think that is needed), which has nothing to do with their location (that is just adding unnecessary complexity).
But in any case, there is no need for us to agree, ADP will do it anyway. Which will help some people, confuse some others, and I just take as another example how in France we love to over-conceptualise things which could be so simple and straightforward 🤣
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Anyway, at this point I'd take basically any solution that tries to clean up the mess that are lettered parts of Terminal 2.
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But you don't. You check in Terminal 5, you go to one of 3 different concourses. You check in Terminal 4, you go to one of 2 different concourses, one of which is shared with Terminal 5 and better connected to Terminal 4. You check in Terminal 4, you go to one of 2 different concourses. You check in Terminal 1, you go to... something that used to be 7 different concourses thought up back in the 60s, but can at very least be separated into Schengen and non-Schengen gates.
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But in airports where there are distinct terminal buildings (CDG, JFK, LHR), there is no need. Which means that in the case of CDG, with the exception of the new Terminal 5 which has distinction boarding concourses (some need to be reached by train, others not), there is no such need. You check in Terminal 1, you go to gate number x or y, which are necessarily in that terminal. You check in Terminal 2, you go to gate number x or y. And so on.
Alternatively, if one really is convinced that there have be no two gates with the same number in the entire airport, you could just prefix every gate number with the first number of the terminal. All gates in T1 start with 1xx, in T2 they are gates 2xx, and so on.
(The numbers and letters I used as an example to demonstrate the principle, I'm aware the exact numbers and letters will be different at CDG.)
I agree with you, many people dont think about certain things, they just follow signs. So they can just as well follow signs to Gate 1xx which would logically be in T1 or follow signs to Gate 6xx which would logically be in T6. There is no need to use those letters, which just add another layer of structure (fair enough, if you think that is needed), which has nothing to do with their location (that is just adding unnecessary complexity).
So my question remains: Why is the logical flow of "depart from terminal 1, gates V" worse than "depart from terminal 1, gates 301-348"?


