randomdude

Will all the B777 be retrofitted with the new design, or only the NYC-CDG route (777-300ERs)?
I frequently travel LAX-CDG, and the business class feels really outdated and not on par with other major airlines.

hhdl

Not all 777s will be refit (some, which don't fly to the US, for instance have been refit with a small Polaris-style cabin), and nearly all 77Ws serving JFK are the La Premiere/BEST product which won't get the new design until roughly the same time LAX gets the new design (probably starting in 12-18 months).

That said, you could try reading the sticky thread in the AF forum which has the full lowdown

MikeTucson

I just flew JNB-CDG-LAX .... The JNB-CDG sector had the new business class product and it was a nice change, but CDG-LAX was old and tired ... I TOO hope AF changes LAX-CDG to all new product like they did for JFK. I was on the AF A350 last month and the business class was very odd and not typical of AF

b12e

I recommend you to take a look at the topic in the AF subforum: updated information about new J seats deployments and other information

Goldorak

Can you elaborate ?

randomdude

ah indeed, I didn't realize there's 2 additional sections at the very top. Mods could probably merge my post

olivedel

Are you referring to the time when LAX-CDG was operated by A388s? If yes then you can be reassured that this 2-2-2 Business cabins are becoming very rare at AF and most aircrafts are equipped with the 1-2-1 reverse herringbone or staggered product, far superior than LH or LX hard product, and superior than the BA Yin-Yang dreadful 2-4-2 cabins.

randomdude

I doesn't show up in the app, but for my last trip (aug), I believe the aircraft types were A350-900 (LAX-CDG) and B777-200 (CDG-LAX).
Both felt really out-dated and overdue for an upgrade.

arunhn

Has there been any further news on the La Premier cabin upgrades / redesign?

olivedel

No.

Srklaw7

So when can we expect AF to upgrade the 777 service on the LAX -CDG flights.?

hhdl

What do you mean?

If you mean when the 4P 77Ws are all upgraded, based on the pace of the NEV4 upgrades, probably sometime in 2025.

Otherwise, there's not really an answer for the non-La Premiere frequencies. There's a chance now that any one of those could be operated by an A350 or 77W with the new seat; it will be (likely) a decade (if ever) before you're guaranteed that seat.

Srklaw7

I know the 777 on the JFK -CDG have been upgraded. I am asking when those same upgrades will extend to the LAX CDG flights.

hhdl

​​​​When you say "have been upgraded", you do realize that a majority of AF 777 flights out of JFK haven't been upgraded? Today, if I'm not mistaken, only 1 out of 5 flights from JFK to CDG had the new seats.

In the case of LAX, as long as that particular market supports first class on most of the frequencies that aren't involving PPT, the timeline for the refits of the fleet with first class will govern things: it's unlikely that by this time next year most of that fleet will have been refit, so it'll be a roll of the dice into 2025 that any given LAX-CDG flight will have the new seats (note that AF don't generally give compensation or goodwill vouchers/miles for equipment swaps: an ULTI this year was on a flight that got swapped from the new seat to 2-3-2 angle-flat with no comp). The A350 operated frequency (AF73, MoThSa 1310 departure) had the A350 version of the new seats this Monday: your odds of that product are about 5-10 percent and increasing as more A350s with those seats enter the fleet. If you're intent on flying the new seats on a 777, wait until 2025.

Srklaw7

Thank you. I was not aware that most of the JFK -CDG 777 had not been upgraded to the new seats. I was satisfied by the existing J product but will wait till next year for an upgrade.