Citijet operating DUS flights?
Feb 3, 2015, 11:00 am
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Citijet operating DUS flights?
AF website says that DUS flights in April are operated by Cityjet 
from 2G with an Avro.
Anyone heard of that?
On another forum, it is said that AF says on the phone that DUS flights operate from 2F in April....
from 2G with an Avro.Anyone heard of that?
On another forum, it is said that AF says on the phone that DUS flights operate from 2F in April....
Feb 3, 2015, 8:11 pm
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Feb 4, 2015, 3:48 am
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Wouldn't be the first time that what they have on their systems is outdated, that they don't know where to look, that they typed in the wrong date - whatever. AF is one of those airlines where in the case of discrepancy between the GDS information and what they say I lend more credence to the GDS. I then insist, and after some closer looking the AF people then usually also find what the GDS says.
Feb 4, 2015, 4:49 am
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Feb 4, 2015, 5:22 am
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As we say in French : c'est la double peine :
- 2G departure/arrival without forgetting its superb premium lounge (equivalent of a death penalty)
- WX Avro with its cramped 3x3 seating, noisy, lack of outside view and extra-limited overhead bins at the wing
Big mistake IMO for a primary business German destination.
- 2G departure/arrival without forgetting its superb premium lounge (equivalent of a death penalty)
- WX Avro with its cramped 3x3 seating, noisy, lack of outside view and extra-limited overhead bins at the wing
Big mistake IMO for a primary business German destination.
Feb 4, 2015, 10:15 am
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As we say in French : c'est la double peine :
- 2G departure/arrival without forgetting its superb premium lounge (equivalent of a death penalty)
- WX Avro with its cramped 3x3 seating, noisy, lack of outside view and extra-limited overhead bins at the wing
Big mistake IMO for a primary business German destination.
- 2G departure/arrival without forgetting its superb premium lounge (equivalent of a death penalty)
- WX Avro with its cramped 3x3 seating, noisy, lack of outside view and extra-limited overhead bins at the wing
Big mistake IMO for a primary business German destination.
Until recently they competed against Lufthansa and for some time also against Air Berlin. Now they compete against Germanwings. So AF must believe that with 4U being an LCC they can themselves downgrade the service to an ARJ and the 2G extradition compound.
And don't forget that some people actually believe that the ARJ is a great plane to fly on and that service on WX is fantastic. Personally I don't share that view (and I am happy that they have disappeared from the ZRH route, another "primary destination" which saw the 2G/ARJs combo for years)
Feb 4, 2015, 11:30 am
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As we say in French : c'est la double peine :
- 2G departure/arrival without forgetting its superb premium lounge (equivalent of a death penalty)
- WX Avro with its cramped 3x3 seating, noisy, lack of outside view and extra-limited overhead bins at the wing
Big mistake IMO for a primary business German destination.
- 2G departure/arrival without forgetting its superb premium lounge (equivalent of a death penalty)
- WX Avro with its cramped 3x3 seating, noisy, lack of outside view and extra-limited overhead bins at the wing
Big mistake IMO for a primary business German destination.
AF seems to have a strategy of dropping DUS: Not too long ago, I used to step on direct connections to LYS, TLS and MRS. All this is history. Even the DUS-LYS operated by HOP is no longer on the flight plan.
Feb 4, 2015, 5:40 pm
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As a side note about the importance of DUS as business center, CX has just announced that it will start a 4-class 77W service HKG-DUS in September:
http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/03/cx-dus-sep15/
EK is already flying there (77W with F) and will soon use an A380. EY is using a 787.
http://airlineroute.net/2015/02/03/cx-dus-sep15/
EK is already flying there (77W with F) and will soon use an A380. EY is using a 787.
Feb 4, 2015, 6:12 pm
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Part of the rationale for this decision is also surely the competition from Thalys for point-to-point Paris-Dsseldorf which has likely reduced the loads.
Feb 4, 2015, 8:53 pm
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Maybe this is a "primary business" destination, but in the eyes of AF their competition has become less primary.
Until recently they competed against Lufthansa and for some time also against Air Berlin. Now they compete against Germanwings. So AF must believe that with 4U being an LCC they can themselves downgrade the service to an ARJ and the 2G extradition compound.
And don't forget that some people actually believe that the ARJ is a great plane to fly on and that service on WX is fantastic. Personally I don't share that view (and I am happy that they have disappeared from the ZRH route, another "primary destination" which saw the 2G/ARJs combo for years)
Until recently they competed against Lufthansa and for some time also against Air Berlin. Now they compete against Germanwings. So AF must believe that with 4U being an LCC they can themselves downgrade the service to an ARJ and the 2G extradition compound.
And don't forget that some people actually believe that the ARJ is a great plane to fly on and that service on WX is fantastic. Personally I don't share that view (and I am happy that they have disappeared from the ZRH route, another "primary destination" which saw the 2G/ARJs combo for years)
This is a bit of a vicious/virtuous circle.
AF believes that competition is getting poorer in a contracting market. AF will offer an inferior product with a cramped Avro, departing from awful 2G and feel vindicated when they find out that their yields are dropping.
Feb 10, 2015, 4:25 am
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Maybe this is a "primary business" destination, but in the eyes of AF their competition has become less primary.
Until recently they competed against Lufthansa and for some time also against Air Berlin. Now they compete against Germanwings. So AF must believe that with 4U being an LCC they can themselves downgrade the service to an ARJ and the 2G extradition compound.
And don't forget that some people actually believe that the ARJ is a great plane to fly on and that service on WX is fantastic. Personally I don't share that view (and I am happy that they have disappeared from the ZRH route, another "primary destination" which saw the 2G/ARJs combo for years)
Until recently they competed against Lufthansa and for some time also against Air Berlin. Now they compete against Germanwings. So AF must believe that with 4U being an LCC they can themselves downgrade the service to an ARJ and the 2G extradition compound.
And don't forget that some people actually believe that the ARJ is a great plane to fly on and that service on WX is fantastic. Personally I don't share that view (and I am happy that they have disappeared from the ZRH route, another "primary destination" which saw the 2G/ARJs combo for years)
Feb 10, 2015, 9:01 am
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For EDI, I agree : it is a big improvement after more than 15 years of BAe146/AvroRJ85 of BE and afterwards WX on this line.
Feb 10, 2015, 1:15 pm
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Are we sure about 2G? By now, I have 3 DUS-CDG bookings from April onwards. They all say Citiyet/Avro, but they also say 2F and not 2G.
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