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Goldorak Jul 25, 2022 2:34 pm


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 34456834)
I recently took an evening flight at 19:30 from CDG T2L. As an FYI to others in the L lounge there is very little hot food in the late afternoon. The dinner service begins at 19h.

And despite the heavy travel period, the lounge was relatively empty late in the afternoon.

I was there at roughly the same time as you another day recently, and it was well filled. But food available around 6 pm was really miserable (very few cold things available and no hot food yet).

Goldorak Jul 25, 2022 7:17 pm

Name of the lounge BER (T1) Tempelhof lounge

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b87607caa.jpeg


Not too bad for the design, but they could do much better for food offering. Very cold welcome by the lounge dragon seems to be the norm there.

Location : terminal 1, near gate A20, gate used often by AF. Lounge is upstairs.

Opening Hours 5:00 to 21:00

Entry requirements : usual Skyteam requirements. Possibility of a paid access for 45€.

Food offer : some cold (basic cheese, cold cuts, etc) and warm options (limited)

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3aab7768b.jpeg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...50dc714a6.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4dd788024.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...56a6454f4.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1c2323d44.jpeg

Drinks offer good selection of liquors, including Japanese Sake, wine, soft drinks, etc

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...436ce7dcc.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...19aca9afa.jpeg

Services

Wifi: free airport network

Showers: unknown

Toilets: yes

Quiet zone: no

Loungers/sleep area: no

Business area: no

Spa: no

TV area: no

Passengers are called: no

Information screen: yes

Newspapers: no

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...753cee566.jpeg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...53ac99edf.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9c21f049b.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...13e7315ea.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a266361fd.jpeg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c7e471d8e.jpeg


Other information

Number of seats: about 200

Level of noise: low

Design: see pictures

View: yes

Multi floors: no

Terrace: no

Smoking area: no

Direct boarding: no

Goldorak Jul 25, 2022 7:47 pm

I noticed an improvement of the food offering in the 2F lounge recently, including in the Ultimate room. I know that the catering company has changed, that's probably the reason why. Here is what I had during one of my recent visit in the Ultimate room. The smoked salmon was very good :)


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...9a42ab3a0.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0d61cbfc9.jpeg

Tooshay Jul 26, 2022 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 34456782)
Because KE lounge has always been privileged in LAX over QF, KE being part of Skyteam like AFKL.

I'm sorry I must be out of the loop with vocabulary, but what does it mean that KE lounge has been privileged? Aren't there reports of people flying AFKL J and getting access to QF lounge? Is it just a luck of the draw when I show up to the counter on if they direct me to KE vs QF?

Digicola Jul 26, 2022 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by Tooshay (Post 34460637)
I'm sorry I must be out of the loop with vocabulary, but what does it mean that KE lounge has been privileged? Aren't there reports of people flying AFKL J and getting access to QF lounge? Is it just a luck of the draw when I show up to the counter on if they direct me to KE vs QF?

According to the ulti TA, the KE lounge hours don’t match with some AF flight timings so access is granted to the QF lounge again since July 1st.

orbitmic Jul 27, 2022 9:50 am


Originally Posted by Tooshay (Post 34460637)
I'm sorry I must be out of the loop with vocabulary, but what does it mean that KE lounge has been privileged? Aren't there reports of people flying AFKL J and getting access to QF lounge? Is it just a luck of the draw when I show up to the counter on if they direct me to KE vs QF?

Goldorak means AF will normally send customers to the KE lounge unless expecting it to be full. Access to OW J should also be possible but remember it’s always subject to capacity, there are loads of ow out of lax at the moment, they are packed, and not all ow lounges are open, so if d think there is a real risk you might be turned off there on at least some days/times and told to go to the ke lounge instead.

canadavid Jul 27, 2022 2:05 pm


Originally Posted by Digicola (Post 34461057)
According to the ulti TA, the KE lounge hours don’t match with some AF flight timings so access is granted to the QF lounge again since July 1st.

As a business passenger on KL flight, I got denied access to KE lounge (LAX) and been sent to Quantas/OneWorld since it is "the new one now".

Goldorak Jul 28, 2022 6:31 am

I have updated the wiki for MAN, based on information provided by PeteM01 here :
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34464974-post7.html

Goldorak Jul 29, 2022 6:48 pm

Pictures of the "new" Skyteam lounge in SCL have been posted by Sandy Hopper in posts #7 & 8 of this thread in the Skyteam forum
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/skyt...l#post34469443

cfabar1 Aug 1, 2022 3:48 pm

I am Delta Skyteam. I purchased an upgrade to premium economy and am going to CDG with a layover. My flight after CDG is a small plane and I will not be in premium economy (I don’t believe it is offered).

am I eligible to purchase access to the lounges at CDG? The fair was a paid upgrade to premium.

Goldorak Aug 1, 2022 11:15 pm


Originally Posted by cfabar1 (Post 34477889)
I am Delta Skyteam. I purchased an upgrade to premium economy and am going to CDG with a layover. My flight after CDG is a small plane and I will not be in premium economy (I don’t believe it is offered).

am I eligible to purchase access to the lounges at CDG? The fair was a paid upgrade to premium.

Premium Eco doesn’t grant lounge access. But you can buy a paid access (see prices at the end of the wiki), if there is space available. Be prepared for refusal, as lounges are crowded nowadays. If you are not at a peak time (e.g. morning till 1 pm), you have better chances.
You should also looking at your booking because it’s possible sometimes to buy it in advance as an option.

cfabar1 Aug 2, 2022 7:10 am


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 34478816)
Premium Eco doesn’t grant lounge access. But you can buy a paid access (see prices at the end of the wiki), if there is space available. Be prepared for refusal, as lounges are crowded nowadays. If you are not at a peak time (e.g. morning till 1 pm), you have better chances.
You should also looking at your booking because it’s possible sometimes to buy it in advance as an option.

thanks for the help. They were full today. I might try back in a few hours but am not holding my breath.

o2bmmw Aug 6, 2022 1:45 pm

JFK Lounge - Clarins?
 
Hi All, I was in the JFK Lounge before the pandemic and recall there was Clarins day spa that did facials etc before flights. I see no more mention of it on the web site. Has it been eliminated? Thanks!

stimpy Aug 6, 2022 4:28 pm


Originally Posted by o2bmmw (Post 34491810)
Hi All, I was in the JFK Lounge before the pandemic and recall there was Clarins day spa that did facials etc before flights. I see no more mention of it on the web site. Has it been eliminated? Thanks!

I don't know if it has been permanently eliminated, but yes it has been shut since the pandemic.

Goldorak Aug 6, 2022 11:25 pm


Originally Posted by o2bmmw (Post 34491810)
Hi All, I was in the JFK Lounge before the pandemic and recall there was Clarins day spa that did facials etc before flights. I see no more mention of it on the web site. Has it been eliminated? Thanks!


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 34492182)
I don't know if it has been permanently eliminated, but yes it has been shut since the pandemic.

Clarins was several years ago. Before the pandemic, it was La Prairie. And it was very nice. It has not reopen so far. I hope it will.

Concerto Aug 7, 2022 9:59 am

There's one in the new lounge at CDG, isn't there?

Goldorak Aug 7, 2022 10:52 am


Originally Posted by Concerto (Post 34493611)
There's one in the new lounge at CDG, isn't there?

what do you call the new lounge ? 2F ? if yes, there's one indeed

Awkward_Cat Aug 8, 2022 7:00 am

Fantazja lounge in WAW has finally reopened.

Goldorak Aug 8, 2022 1:42 pm

Dear all
now that lounges have almost all reopen and being closed is the exception, I have removed all # green signs that we used to put to indicate a lounge was open.I only left a green note when a lounge is still known to be closed.
Do not hesitate to edit if needed.

Eagle2000 Aug 8, 2022 7:33 pm

Quick question about AF lounges in 2F at CDG. are there two at 2F? I recall seeing the that there were two on the map. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks!

maalloc Aug 8, 2022 11:37 pm


Originally Posted by eagle215 (Post 34498178)
Quick question about AF lounges in 2F at CDG. are there two at 2F? I recall seeing the that there were two on the map. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks!

There were 2 pre-Covid.

Now there’s one large lounge between the two 2F piers.

Goldorak Aug 9, 2022 12:20 am


Originally Posted by eagle215 (Post 34498178)
Quick question about AF lounges in 2F at CDG. are there two at 2F? I recall seeing the that there were two on the map. Can anyone confirm this? Thanks!

There were 2 until 08/2021 (one in each peninsula). Since 08/2021, they have been replaced by a new single lounge located between the 2 peninsulas.

EDIT : didn't see Maaloc response before posting mine ;)

Bullspread Aug 10, 2022 2:32 am

Quantas LAX First Class Lounge will re-open this Thursday on Aug 11th.
AF used to invite the F PAX in this lounge .

https://www.qantas.com/za/en/qantas-...st-lounge.html

The completely new AF lounge is still expected in S2 on the new sub-division of Terminal B (gates 200+)

Tooshay Aug 11, 2022 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by Bullspread (Post 34502149)
Quantas LAX First Class Lounge will re-open this Thursday on Aug 11th.
AF used to invite the F PAX in this lounge .

https://www.qantas.com/za/en/qantas-...st-lounge.html

The completely new AF lounge is still expected in S2 on the new sub-division of Terminal B (gates 200+)

What is S2?

Goldorak Aug 11, 2022 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by Tooshay (Post 34506660)
What is S2?

2nd semester

ringingup Aug 15, 2022 11:54 pm

With a 3h connection from 2F to 2G in CDG, which lounge would you recommend?

carnarvon Aug 16, 2022 12:44 am


Originally Posted by ringingup (Post 34518157)
With a 3h connection from 2F to 2G in CDG, which lounge would you recommend?

Both!

Unless you are prevented to go upstairs in 2F to departure level because of one of those ridiculous random passport controls, I suggest you do both.

First enjoy 2F lounge. After that, go to 2G giving yourself some buffer time just in case. You can then enjoy 2G lounge which I find not as good as in 2F but nevertheless very decent.

ringingup Aug 16, 2022 1:40 am


Originally Posted by carnarvon (Post 34518203)

Unless you are prevented to go upstairs in 2F to departure level because of one of those ridiculous random passport controls, I suggest you do both.

Thanks! It's domestic to Schengen, so hopefully no weird transit route involved!

carnarvon Aug 16, 2022 2:12 am


Originally Posted by ringingup (Post 34518285)
Thanks! It's domestic to Schengen, so hopefully no weird transit route involved!

2F to 2G is by bus. Rather long drive....

ringingup Aug 16, 2022 3:01 am


Originally Posted by carnarvon (Post 34518319)
2F to 2G is by bus. Rather long drive....

Airside though, right?

carnarvon Aug 16, 2022 3:48 am


Originally Posted by ringingup (Post 34518379)
Airside though, right?


Airside Indeed. :)

108912 Aug 21, 2022 6:23 am


Originally Posted by Tooshay (Post 34506660)
What is S2?

I'm more curious to know what is 'QUANTAS' :D

I'm flying AF J for the first time next week, AF178 CDG - MEX. I have never transited CDG before. I see there are lounges in L/K/M piers for non-schenghen. Which is considered the 'best' or the flagship? I've noticed the 178 has departed 'M' gates most frequently the past few days. Is it still possible to access the lounge of another pier if it is superior (I have a transit time of 3hr55min).

maalloc Aug 22, 2022 5:37 am


Originally Posted by 108912 (Post 34532624)
I'm more curious to know what is 'QUANTAS' :D

I'm flying AF J for the first time next week, AF178 CDG - MEX. I have never transited CDG before. I see there are lounges in L/K/M piers for non-schenghen. Which is considered the 'best' or the flagship? I've noticed the 178 has departed 'M' gates most frequently the past few days. Is it still possible to access the lounge of another pier if it is superior (I have a transit time of 3hr55min).

It's not possible.

The lounge you'll be able to visit will be decided by AF178's departure gate. Don't worry, though: 2E K/L/M lounges are fairly similar when it comes to F&B offering, and their vibe depends mostly on the time of day/upcoming flights.

jerry_greece Aug 29, 2022 6:04 am

Has anybody experience if AF is providing lounge access in PMI? Acc. to Skyteam website only UX pax. can access the lounges (but then again they say the same for BRU, and that's not correct).

Goldorak Sep 4, 2022 7:00 am

MAD - Madrid Barajas T2
 
I have updated the wiki for MAD, as Puerta del Sol lounge is open (it was still mentioned as closed in the wiki). Service is as before Covid with a buffet. Their food offering is really great and the warm dishes are very good (pork with gnocchis, cod with a kind of ratatouille, pastas, etc). I just regret the absence of Spanish cold cuts and cheese. Very surprising as this is the specialty of the country. On the 3rd picture, those are cold items.


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5625fd2b3.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d82bee177.jpeg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f5a4113b4.jpeg

Goldorak Sep 4, 2022 3:50 pm

Paris ORY1 (gates A) - Premium Traveller lounge
 
The Premium Traveller lounge in ORY1 (gates A, lower level where bus gates are) is open again (don't know for how long).
There is no more agreement with AF, so AF pax cannot access anymore this lounge for free. There is a possibility of paid access for 36€. There is no more AF flight from ORY1, but this concerns pax having AF tickets for Amelia-operated flights leaving from gates A (BVE, RDZ, CFE, etc). Please note that this is the only lounge you can access when flying from ORY1. Indeed ORY 1 and 2 are not linked airside, so you cannot reach the AF lounge in C gates.
It's a small lounge (about 30-40 seats), rather pleasant but with a minimal F&B offering.
Food is limited to snacks, cheese and ham. Usual soft drinks. Alcohol : red & white wine and a sparkling wine (not Champagne).

Wiki updated

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...aa95975ed.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...71eb618b8.jpeg

stimpy Sep 4, 2022 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 34572325)
The Premium Traveller lounge in ORY1 (gates A, lower level where bus gates are) is open again (don't know for how long).
There is no more agreement with AF, so AF pax cannot access anymore this lounge for free.

You can access for free with Priority Pass.

https://www.prioritypass.com/en/loun...aveller-lounge

pascalgr Sep 8, 2022 8:43 am

Las Vegas Lounge for KLM Flight
 
Hello

I try to find out if KLM offers to his Skyteam Elite Plus passenger a lounge for flights to AMS. There is no DL lounge yet in LAS, although it is planned for 2024. There are 6 flights a week from KLM to LAS.
There are only 2 lounges in LAS, the 'United Airlines Lounge' and the 'CLUB' ; So Has someone pass recently though LAS with KL and see if access to a lounge is offered or not ?
Thanks

MitjaPod Sep 8, 2022 8:53 am


Originally Posted by pascalgr (Post 34583113)
Hello

I try to find out if KLM offers to his Skyteam Elite Plus passenger a lounge for flights to AMS. There is no DL lounge yet in LAS, although it is planned for 2024. There are 6 flights a week from KLM to LAS.
There are only 2 lounges in LAS, the 'United Airlines Lounge' and the 'CLUB' ; So Has someone pass recently though LAS with KL and see if access to a lounge is offered or not ?
Thanks

Help yourself: https://www.skyteam.com/en/lounges/lounge-finder

It seems the Club, which would be a pretty secure guess in the first place since KLM does not do business with United as a competitor (not even codeshare agreement in place AFAIK)

pascalgr Sep 8, 2022 9:37 am


Originally Posted by MitjaPod (Post 34583149)
Help yourself: https://www.skyteam.com/en/lounges/lounge-finder

It seems the Club, which would be a pretty secure guess in the first place since KLM does not do business with United as a competitor (not even codeshare agreement in place AFAIK)

I saw that but it is written that Aeromexico client can go tothis lounge. S o the Skyteam site is may be not correct ?


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