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Old Dec 25, 2008, 4:08 pm
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Thumbs down YUL to FRA - Plane here, no crew...

Well... checked on AC website before leaving for airport and AC874 was showing on time departure. Arrive here to learn there is a 3 hr 10 min delay. Reason, no available crew... As a result, have to spend another 3 hours as well in FRA for later flight to MUC. I know AC network is a mess right now but weather is fine here. Any compensation likely?
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 4:10 pm
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I presume you are in the MLL, enjoying a drink or three?
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 4:17 pm
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The weather may be good in YUL, but if the network is running late, then pilot rest periods have to be respected, which may explain your situation.
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 4:20 pm
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If the flight is delayed because of no crew and not weather....

The flight is operating to a EU country (Germany) compensation is as follows:

Assist passengers facing long delays.

When airlines reasonably expect a long delay, they will be obliged to give passengers:

* meals and refreshments,

* hotel accommodation, when a delay obliges a passenger to stay overnight, and

* reimbursement, when a delay delays a passenger for at least five hours.

If the flight in canceled because there is no crew and not weather....

You are entitled to 600 EUROS compensation.

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleases...guiLanguage=en
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 4:26 pm
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As far as I understand compensation only applies if departing from an EU country or if the flight is operated by an EU airline in the case of arrival into an EU country. No compensation per EU rules, unless they have changed or I have misunderstood something.
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 4:35 pm
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 5:14 pm
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Even by the European rules, were they to apply, this is not yet a qualifying delay, and a passenger in the MLL is being fed and watered.
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 5:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Altaflyer
As far as I understand compensation only applies if departing from an EU country or if the flight is operated by an EU airline in the case of arrival into an EU country. No compensation per EU rules, unless they have changed or I have misunderstood something.
You are correct. Flights to the EU from non-EU locations are not covered by the mandatory compensation rules.

I'm also not certain that lounge access sufficiently meets the requirements of the compensation for meals should such compensation be required.
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Sebring
Even by the European rules, were they to apply, this is not yet a qualifying delay, and a passenger in the MLL is being fed and watered.
I'd hardly call a stale piece of bread with a cup of soup a "meal" maybe by AC's standards.. not EU ones.
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by imverge
I'd hardly call a stale piece of bread with a cup of soup a "meal" maybe by AC's standards.. not EU ones.
^ I agree.... Soup and salad aint what I call a meal.
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 6:32 pm
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Why does everyone want compensation for every little hiccup? Delays happen - you have to deal with them. It's a part of travelling.

Read the COC's - you should not get any compensation for something like this, unless you were VDB'd or IDB'd. This doesn't sound like this was the case.
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by emcampbe
Why does everyone want compensation for every little hiccup? Delays happen - you have to deal with them. It's a part of travelling.

Read the COC's - you should not get any compensation for something like this, unless you were VDB'd or IDB'd. This doesn't sound like this was the case.
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 8:27 pm
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AC877, FRA-YYZ (11 Dec)

Scheduled to depart at 17:00, actual departure after 21:00. Also because of crew rest requirements. Which I'm OK with, because I'd rather not have an unrested flight crew.

Is there something up with FRA flights though?
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Old Dec 25, 2008, 8:30 pm
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No, just system issues related to weather.

Flight left gate at 22:08.
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Old Dec 26, 2008, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by South Shore
Any compensation likely?
If this was the UA forum.......maybe.
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