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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 4:58 am
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[QUOTE=yyznomad]...... I'm confused. Hold me.

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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 5:38 am
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...... I'm confused. Hold me.

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My crystal ball says you will find comfort on August 30th,AC150

Hope he doesn't wear those fancy glasses and scare the kid off.
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 8:11 am
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 11:01 am
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Originally Posted by yyznomad
KVS is still showing N/G/P/E/T for future flights even into 2006. I've refreshed my browser, rebooted my computer, and yet everytime I go to aircanada.com and do a mock transborder booking for October, November, December, January, infinity and beyond it still shows Tango dashed out. I'm confused.
That's because you're looking at the wrong thing -- for this, you should really be looking at fares, not availability data. To see fares for the routes in questions, just click the large [VIEW FARES] button in the KVS Tool.

Using the YYZ/PHX/10JAN2006 route as an example, you will see that the lowest existing fare is Q14XFN.
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by yyznomad
I've been messing around on ac.com for transborder flights to BOS and ORD that I plan to do in the next couple of months. Unless it's a fluke, it looks like ac.com isn't showing Tango anymore for transborder, starting today(?)

Edited to add: Ok, ...... checking for YYZ-FLL, YUL-FLL, YYZ-MCO, YYZ-TPA, YYZ-MIA in Jan 2006 still shows Tango, but no Tango for trips like YYZ-PHX, YVR-SFO, YYZ-LAX, YUL-ORD, YYZ-IAH, YYZ-DEN, YYC-LAX, YYZ-SEA, YYZ-STL, YYZ-EWR, YYZ-LGA, YYZ-ATL, etc. It just looks like Tango will exist only for Floridian destinations?
There were Florida (and perhaps a few other) "tourist" destinations where AC used lower Tango fares to combat LCC's. The rest of the time they priced Tango $1 higher than Tango Plus for the reason already described. It looks like they've finally fixed the programming to zero out the Tango fare for "business" destinations where they are competing with legacy carriers and need to offer pojnts but keeping the fare (and extra low price) on the low yield tourist runs where they truly need a bare-bones offering. Good change IMHO.
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 3:33 pm
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Originally Posted by cedric
This makes perfect sense if you think about it: Tango is meant to compete with the low-fare carriers that do not offer status miles, etc. Since there is quite a bit of charter/Westjet/Canjet competition to Florida, it is natural that Tango fares are available in these markets. In the other transborder markets, AC is competing against legacy carriers hence the lack of Tango on those routes.
I agree too. I guess I was just surprised to see this all of a sudden given that they were still selling Tango on the YYZ BOS flights I was searching for just last week. It's nice to see Tango gone for good though on 95% of transborder.

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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by KVS
That's because you're looking at the wrong thing -- for this, you should really be looking at fares, not availability data. To see fares for the routes in questions, just click the large [VIEW FARES] button in the KVS Tool.

Using the YYZ/PHX/10JAN2006 route as an example, you will see that the lowest existing fare is Q14XFN.
Oh ok... another possibility I was thinking of was that AC was going to shift N/G/P/E/T (and maybe R/K) back into Tango+ (thus inflating Tango+'s number of fare classes) for the non-Florida flights, but that would be too damn confusing and lame anyway.
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 4:15 pm
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I've noticed that T is gone for good as well SEA-YYZ. This only makes sense:

- All other transborder mainline carriers offer 100% mileage accumulation.
- Expedia, Orbitz, Travelocity will only display the lowest fare for each airline. If T was cheaper than T+, you would not accumulate Q miles when using these websites for booking.
- Mileage accumulation is an important benefit for non-domestic travel, since the competitors are mainline carriers.
- Thre were too many issues with booking United tickets on AC metal and getting the correct AP miles.

I am glad that Tango is gone for this route. Tango is still important for domestic because:

- no other competitor offersr EQM. Therefore, to the Cdn traveller, mileage accumulation becomes less of a factor.
- Aircanada.com is well advertised in Canada and is likely to be a booking engine of choice for those who want to accumulate Q miles.
- There is no codesharing of AC flights within Canada, so there is no mixup of different booking classes with different airlines.

My suspicion is that T still exists for some transborder flights to compete directly with other transborder Canadian carriers and the charters.
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Old Aug 30, 2005 | 4:30 pm
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Originally Posted by boymimbo
My suspicion is that T still exists for some transborder flights to compete directly with other transborder Canadian carriers and the charters.
I've checked for most routes and only found T existing for Florida (TPA, MCO, FLL, MIA) and LAS.
SFO, LAX, DEN, SEA, STL, BDL, LGA, EWR, ORD, ATL, IAD, IAH, MSP, PHL, PIT, CLE, DFW, PHX, LAS, MSY, BDL, MDT, MHT, ROC, ABE, IND, DTW, BOS, PVD, RDU, MCI, CMH, MKE, and ALB are the ones I checked and don't have Tango.

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