New Aeroplan Terms & Conditions (Feb 2024)
Nov 30, 2023, 11:15 am
#46
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My only non-clearance as 25k was a Flex YYZ-YVR-SFO itinerary, I only cleared to PE on YYZ-YVR, and did clear YVR-SFO
Nov 30, 2023, 11:48 am
#47
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Rules should be more precise and more clear. Especially when the ruler is also the judge. Deliberately making cryptic rules and reserving oneself the right to decide 1) if they do apply and 2) if they will be applied or not... is abusive.
Nov 30, 2023, 12:33 pm
#48
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It's abundantly clear that writing skills don't shine in AC-produced documents.
Nov 30, 2023, 12:58 pm
#49
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Nov 30, 2023, 2:02 pm
#50
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https://princeoftravel.com/news/upco...ms-conditions/
I'm guessing the recent (upcoming) changes to the T&C are driven in part by public facing scraping tools, as they now specifically prohibit any sort of automation interaction with Aeroplan. Probably just gives AC more stuff to point to: "our T&C prohibits this but seats.aero isn't complying!"
They also call out family sharing abuse and gaming/churning related practices.
I'm guessing the recent (upcoming) changes to the T&C are driven in part by public facing scraping tools, as they now specifically prohibit any sort of automation interaction with Aeroplan. Probably just gives AC more stuff to point to: "our T&C prohibits this but seats.aero isn't complying!"
They also call out family sharing abuse and gaming/churning related practices.
Nov 30, 2023, 2:40 pm
#52
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https://princeoftravel.com/news/upco...ms-conditions/
I'm guessing the recent (upcoming) changes to the T&C are driven in part by public facing scraping tools, as they now specifically prohibit any sort of automation interaction with Aeroplan. Probably just gives AC more stuff to point to: "our T&C prohibits this but seats.aero isn't complying!"
I'm guessing the recent (upcoming) changes to the T&C are driven in part by public facing scraping tools, as they now specifically prohibit any sort of automation interaction with Aeroplan. Probably just gives AC more stuff to point to: "our T&C prohibits this but seats.aero isn't complying!"
Nov 30, 2023, 2:42 pm
#53
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https://princeoftravel.com/news/upco...ms-conditions/
They also call out family sharing abuse and gaming/churning related practices.
They also call out family sharing abuse and gaming/churning related practices.
Nov 30, 2023, 3:53 pm
#54
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Nov 30, 2023, 4:27 pm
#55
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... If Aeroplan/AC didn't want banks giving these SUBs, they shouldn't have sold that many points to the banks. This is a classic case of not liking the consequences of one's own actions. AC wants their cake (money from banks) and eat it too (the banks not actually giving out those points/people not using them)
Nov 30, 2023, 4:29 pm
#56
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Nov 30, 2023, 6:28 pm
#58
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Back in the day when there was an eUp request window, rather than a clearance window, I know a lot of us had scripts to do that for us. That certainly seems "prohibited" now (though also unnecessary since you can request at any time). And it would not have been hard to catch.
The Chase is a "core" card, and the ones with eUp benefits are "premium", so they're completely different categories.
My bigger issue is that they keep launching very interesting promos on the different cards. I got the Amex Reserve because it had 25% back on reward bookings. Then I cancelled it after a year, because the TD Is my primary, which I've held for over 3 years.
Then they launched an SQM+eUp promo for new signups on the Amex. I applied again, so I could get the necessary SQM without booking another TATL.
I have zero interest in the welcome bonuses, but when there's an interesting promo that requires holding a specific card...
My bigger issue is that they keep launching very interesting promos on the different cards. I got the Amex Reserve because it had 25% back on reward bookings. Then I cancelled it after a year, because the TD Is my primary, which I've held for over 3 years.
Then they launched an SQM+eUp promo for new signups on the Amex. I applied again, so I could get the necessary SQM without booking another TATL.
I have zero interest in the welcome bonuses, but when there's an interesting promo that requires holding a specific card...
Anyway, I get it that they're using general language to stop very specific behaviours, but the lack of clarity makes it worse for the rest of us. They could just as easily to work with issuers to make welcome bonuses only apply when you meet elaborate targets (which sometimes they do now, X spending per month over an extended period of time). If you really want to have a Privilege/Reserve card from each of the providers in each of the categories and your credit/spending supports it.. good on you. You're only getting in the lounge one at a time, and you're between the companion pass fee + the interchange fees they make on your $25k, they're probably doing just fine (or say you can only get 1 pass a year and be done with the problem).
Nov 30, 2023, 6:38 pm
#59
Join Date: Nov 2023
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No they haven't. They've not defined the different types of card anywhere, only made an unclear parenthetical reference to them in one place. The one reference to them in the T&Cs is also very poorly drafted and prohibits applying for different product types, which implies that having a personal premium card and a business premium card would actually be against the rules.
New Card Bonus is intended as an incentive for a Member to become a holder of an Aeroplan Credit Card where that Member is neither currently, nor was previously, a holder of that type of Aeroplan Credit Card, regardless of issuer (e.g., entry, core, premium, core small business, premium small business, or any other card that has a substantially similar level of benefits) for which the New Card Bonus is being offered. This means that a Member may be granted a maximum of one New Card Bonus for each type of Aeroplan Credit Card that the Member becomes a holder of, regardless of issuer.v
Nov 30, 2023, 7:39 pm
#60
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Hmmm...were the T&C updated?
(i) applying for multiple credit cards across different product types (e.g., entry, core, premium, core small business, premium small business, or any other card that has a substantially similar level of benefits) across multiple financial institutions that issue an Aeroplan Credit Card in order to circumnavigate these Terms and Conditions or the terms and conditions of any such financial institution issuing an Aeroplan Credit Card thereby receiving multiple New Card Bonuses; and (ii) a behaviour of cancelling, or disengaging in, an Aeroplan Credit Card shortly after receiving a New Card Bonus.
According to this holding multiple AE CC is perfectly OK unless a new card is cancelled immediately after receiving the welcome bonus.
(i) applying for multiple credit cards across different product types (e.g., entry, core, premium, core small business, premium small business, or any other card that has a substantially similar level of benefits) across multiple financial institutions that issue an Aeroplan Credit Card in order to circumnavigate these Terms and Conditions or the terms and conditions of any such financial institution issuing an Aeroplan Credit Card thereby receiving multiple New Card Bonuses; and (ii) a behaviour of cancelling, or disengaging in, an Aeroplan Credit Card shortly after receiving a New Card Bonus.
According to this holding multiple AE CC is perfectly OK unless a new card is cancelled immediately after receiving the welcome bonus.