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Travel at Home - Reach Air Canada Altitude status without leaving home

Old Apr 26, 2020, 7:24 pm
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Contains screen shots of all of the detailed T&C on the Travel at Home Promo as per this Aeroplan link
https://www.aeroplan.com/travelathome.do
If you find that something in this version does not match any info you have, please post updates.


Discussion of how some terms were retroactively modified on April 23/24:
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Travel at Home - Reach Air Canada Altitude status without leaving home

Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:34 am
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Interesting tidbit in the terms & conditions:
"Altitude Super Elite 100K and Elite 75K Status Members who earn 250,000 Aeroplan Miles during this Offer and registered will receive 25,000 Bonus Aeroplan Miles that count toward Million Miles recognition."


I believe someone here is short a similar amount from MM status!
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:34 am
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As many have said, not much here for current 75K / SEs unless you are really close to MM, and care about getting MM right now.
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by Plumber
If they would allow some donated Aeroplan miles to count towards MM, I would donate 100K miles right now!
Donate miles and receive Bonus Altitude Qualifying Miles.From now through April 30, 2020, for every five Aeroplan Miles you donate to a charity fighting the COVID-19 crisis, you’ll receive one Bonus Altitude Qualifying Mile (AQM) – up to a maximum of 25,000 AQM.*

https://www.aeroplan.com/travelathome.do#/

Thanks for the feedback to this comment. I see now that this is of limited help. :/

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Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by jerry305
Donate miles and receive Bonus Altitude Qualifying Miles.From now through April 30, 2020, for every five Aeroplan Miles you donate to a charity fighting the COVID-19 crisis, youll receive one Bonus Altitude Qualifying Mile (AQM) up to a maximum of 25,000 AQM.*
https://www.aeroplan.com/travelathome.do#/
Although Charity donations receive redeemable AQM and status AQM at 5:1rate. But they do not count towards Million Miler cantidate status dashboard.

Now, Credit card partner / shopping portal miles DO count, but only if your activity generates 250,000AQM. Then you get a one time 25k boost towards MM status.
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by jerry305
Donate miles and receive Bonus Altitude Qualifying Miles.From now through April 30, 2020, for every five Aeroplan Miles you donate to a charity fighting the COVID-19 crisis, you’ll receive one Bonus Altitude Qualifying Mile (AQM) – up to a maximum of 25,000 AQM.*
https://www.aeroplan.com/travelathome.do#/
That doesn't address what @Plumber was talking about.

@expert7700 beat me to it, but here's the relevant text from the AC Ts&Cs on the donation miles deal (bolding mine):

A minimum donation of 1,000 Aeroplan Miles is required. Altitude Qualifying Miles will be posted by December 15, 2020. Altitude Qualifying Miles are not Aeroplan Miles. Altitude Qualifying Miles earned as part of this offer do not count towards Air Canada Million Mile recognition.
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Why do you say that? In a time when many people are struggling financially, how many people do you think are going to go out and earn 50K Aeroplan points during this period? There will be some, for sure, but most people don't even earn 50K Aeroplan points in a year, let alone in six weeks.
All you need to do is transfer 50,000 American Express MR points to Aeroplan and you're set.
You don't need to spend a penny during the promotion period, although this is assuming you have an existing American Express card with at least a 50K MR points balance.
I guess I made a big assumption that most people who are in this hobby collect American Express MR points and usually have big points balances.
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by etgohomeok
But doesn't 25K come with 20 eUps as standard? Or am I understanding the chart wrong: https://altitude.aircanada.com/statu...ram-privileges
Sorry, yes, I thought you were talking about the 20 credits that came at 70K

The answer is that 20 eUps, especially at the P25K level, probably aren't worth a ton. The number of eUps required depends on the destination and fare class. AC seems to have nuked the detailed chart that showed how distance impacted eUp requirements. The much less useful eUpchart that only shows "starting at" certain numbers of eUps is here: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...calculate.html

If you're used to buying Standard or low Flex fares, those 20 eUps will disappear quickly. If I recall correctly, if the route is >1,500 miles in North America, it will cost you 15 eUps to upgrade low Flex fares, for instance. So one YYZ-YVR flight would consume 75% of your credits. Internationally, 20 credits won't get you much unless you're buying a pretty high fare. If you go to Europe, it's 21 credits to upgrade a one-way in Flex, plus a $500 co-pay, to upgrade to business class.

Even if you find a fare you like, and that you have credits for, you're also subject to the booking window. Other than Latitude or PE Flexible fares, upgrades can only be requested a certain number of days in advance, and that window opens earlier the higher your status. With P25K, you're almost at the bottom of the heap.

If you're waitlisted for an upgrade (your window has opened and you've requested an upgrade but it wasn't available at that time), you're also behind all of the people with higher status (who are in the same cabin) for any upgrades that do become available. So if one seat becomes available, but there's an SE or 50K on the list ahead of you, no upgrade.

Historically, some routes have been much more difficult to upgrade than others. Typically routes with more business traffic and status passengers are more difficult to upgrade, as are those where most J seats are sold. When the J cabin on YVR/YYC-YYZ is half paid and half SEs, you're going to have trouble getting an upgrade as a 25K. Same with, say, YVR-SYD, where upgrades and points redemptions are scarce. But you might have better luck with, say, YYZ-FLL or YVR-BNE.

I don't want to get you too down on the eUps, because you may be able to use them for something cool, but just beware that it's not going to be easy
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:56 am
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Originally Posted by agjil
All you need to do is transfer 50,000 American Express MR points to Aeroplan and you're set.
You don't need to spend a penny during the promotion period, although this is assuming you have an existing American Express card with at least a 50K MR points balance.
I guess I made a big assumption that most people who are in this hobby collect American Express MR points and usually have big points balances.
Yes, if flying, points collecting, etc is a hobby, it's easy for people to have 50K MR and transfer those over. But most people in the country are not hobbyists, have never churned credit cards, etc. They usually have a few different credit cards, which often include store-branded cards that came with some promotion (e.g. discount on first purchase, interest-free financing for first purchase, etc), but they have one or two primary cards and just use those for day-to-day spend, which is where their points balances primarily come from.

I'm sure there are a few hundred hobbyists, or maybe even a few thousand, who could easily transfer over 50K MR, but how many of them will? P25K isn't exactly very valuable, and those folks tend to manage and value their points very carefully. If they were planning to book tickets through Aeroplan soon, sure, the added incentive might make it worthwhile to transfer over the points, but otherwise it's probably pretty marginal.
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Sorry, yes, I thought you were talking about the 20 credits that came at 70K

The answer is that 20 eUps, especially at the P25K level, probably aren't worth a ton. The number of eUps required depends on the destination and fare class. AC seems to have nuked the detailed chart that showed how distance impacted eUp requirements. The much less useful eUpchart that only shows "starting at" certain numbers of eUps is here: https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...calculate.html

If you're used to buying Standard or low Flex fares, those 20 eUps will disappear quickly. If I recall correctly, if the route is >1,500 miles in North America, it will cost you 15 eUps to upgrade low Flex fares, for instance. So one YYZ-YVR flight would consume 75% of your credits. Internationally, 20 credits won't get you much unless you're buying a pretty high fare. If you go to Europe, it's 21 credits to upgrade a one-way in Flex, plus a $500 co-pay, to upgrade to business class.

Even if you find a fare you like, and that you have credits for, you're also subject to the booking window. Other than Latitude or PE Flexible fares, upgrades can only be requested a certain number of days in advance, and that window opens earlier the higher your status. With P25K, you're almost at the bottom of the heap.

If you're waitlisted for an upgrade (your window has opened and you've requested an upgrade but it wasn't available at that time), you're also behind all of the people with higher status (who are in the same cabin) for any upgrades that do become available. So if one seat becomes available, but there's an SE or 50K on the list ahead of you, no upgrade.

Historically, some routes have been much more difficult to upgrade than others. Typically routes with more business traffic and status passengers are more difficult to upgrade, as are those where most J seats are sold. When the J cabin on YVR/YYC-YYZ is half paid and half SEs, you're going to have trouble getting an upgrade as a 25K. Same with, say, YVR-SYD, where upgrades and points redemptions are scarce. But you might have better luck with, say, YYZ-FLL or YVR-BNE.

I don't want to get you too down on the eUps, because you may be able to use them for something cool, but just beware that it's not going to be easy
Thank you for the explanation! I definitely won't count on getting anything magical out of the eUps then haha.

Reviewing the chart I also just realized that YQ are waived on award redemptions within NA, which is actually huge for me; with my regular flying habits that will almost certainly save me at least a few hundred dollars. Plus the 2 MLL passes and priority boarding are great.
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 11:08 am
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Unsurprisingly, AC gives themselves an unreasonable amount of time to post. I think this means AQD, for example, will post too late for ​​​​​​"early status recognition".
  1. The Bonus Altitude Qualifying Miles (AQM), bonus eUpgrade Credits and Status adjustments (250,000 level) will all be processed by August 31, 2020
  2. The Bonus Altitude Qualifying Dollars (AQD) will be posted by December 15, 2020.
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by etgohomeok
Thank you for the explanation! I definitely won't count on getting anything magical out of the eUps then haha.

Reviewing the chart I also just realized that YQ are waived on award redemptions within NA, which is actually huge for me; with my regular flying habits that will almost certainly save me at least a few hundred dollars. Plus the 2 MLL passes and priority boarding are great.
If you have a bunch of Aeroplan miles, the YQ waiver can definitely be quite valuable.

Originally Posted by expert7700
Unsurprisingly, AC gives themselves an unreasonable amount of time to post. I think this means AQD, for example, will post too late for ​​​​​​"early status recognition".
  1. The Bonus Altitude Qualifying Miles (AQM), bonus eUpgrade Credits and Status adjustments (250,000 level) will all be processed by August 31, 2020
  2. The Bonus Altitude Qualifying Dollars (AQD) will be posted by December 15, 2020.
I don't disagree on principle, but realistically, early status recognition seems unlikely to be very important this year.
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 11:46 am
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So just so I understand this

If I move 250,000 MR miles over to AE. I will get an extra 25,000 MM miles extra eupgrades, etc?

I can reduce that with credit card signup bonuses and what not too.

While I am still 400k away from 2MM, I lost a step this year. Given I am keeping the points with me...I am wondering if this is a good idea or not
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 11:49 am
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Originally Posted by lcohen999
So just so I understand this

If I move 250,000 MR miles over to AE. I will get an extra 25,000 MM miles extra eupgrades, etc?
Yes. 4,500 AQM, 20 eUps, $1K AQD, 29.5K Aeroplan miles, 25K MM miles.

I can reduce that with credit card signup bonuses and what not too.
True, although how many CC sign-up bonuses are going to post by May 31st?
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 11:53 am
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
True, although how many CC sign-up bonuses are going to post by May 31st?
That is true...I have more than enough MR to move over without breaking a sweat
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Old Apr 20, 2020, 11:59 am
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Sounds like they are making a distinction between AQM and Aeroplan miles when it comes to the bonus. I would guess they will credit 4500 AQM, then deduct 4500 non-AQM Aeroplan miles.

The applicable Bonus Altitude Qualifying Miles (AQM) will be credited by August 2020 to the Eligible Participants Altitude account who earned the required number of Aeroplan Miles and registered for this Offer. Since these specific Bonus Altitude Qualifying Miles (AQM) are not Aeroplan Miles, an adjustment will be made to your Aeroplan account when the Bonus Altitude Qualifying Miles (AQM) are credited.
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