Air Canada Altitude Program Overview 2020
Dec 11, 2019, 4:24 pm
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Dec 11, 2019, 4:46 pm
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On the web page it did. And I just checked, it's there. And it says to February 2021.
Dec 11, 2019, 5:26 pm
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Dec 11, 2019, 5:33 pm
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I logged into my Altitude page, and on the top of the page where it shows:
....I took this screen shot from the right side of the page.
Why would I post something from last year - even if it looks the same? Defeats the purpose of me posting.
Dec 11, 2019, 5:41 pm
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Sorry, I forgot that no one has ever done any non-purpose posting.
Dec 11, 2019, 5:59 pm
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I see what 24L sees.
As an aside, I kept my status through parental leave.
The original email from AC states that my status and privilege selection would not be manually set up until sometime in March 2020. It looks like they figured out how let me select privileges right away.
Dec 12, 2019, 7:47 am
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It is also worth noting that frequent flier programs, like any customer loyalty program, are designed to encourage incremental spending that would not have otherwise gone to the vendor. If a person already spends $50K a year flying only 40K miles and 16 segments, there is no point, from AC's perspective, to give this person anything more than E35K status since the said person already demonstrated willingness to spend that kind of money without much incentive.
Dec 12, 2019, 9:31 am
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I concur, I've spent over $20K and only reach 50K Elite due to AQMs @ 58K, would be nice for AQDs to help elevate the status level. At the end of the day, bottom line (no matter KPIs they set, based on flight capacity or miles flown), should be taken into consideration here.
Dec 12, 2019, 2:12 pm
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I concur, I've spent over $20K and only reach 50K Elite due to AQMs @ 58K, would be nice for AQDs to help elevate the status level. At the end of the day, bottom line (no matter KPIs they set, based on flight capacity or miles flown), should be taken into consideration here.
So people who rack up a lot of dollars flying YYZ-YAM, YYZ-YUL, and so on, also likely cost AC a lot more, per mile, to fly around than those doing more long-haul travel. Hence they may be high-spending without being terribly profitable.
Of course, measuring each flyer's individual profitability would be so complex as to not be worth it, but it would be nice if people around here at least acknowledged that top line and bottom line aren't the same thing.
If AC does introduce a spend-only qualification, you should be prepared for it to take more than $20K to make SE. AA and US both have a significant revenue premium for the spend-only status. So if it takes $25K to make SE, will that satisfy you, or are you just going to moan about how the spend threshold is too high?
Dec 12, 2019, 2:18 pm
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If you really want to talk about bottom line, a lot of people here who complain about high spend and low status may not be nearly as profitable as they think they are. Generally CPM gets lower as (a) planes get bigger and (b) flights get longer. For instance, Jazz's CASM, back when they published it, was nearly 2x AC's.
So people who rack up a lot of dollars flying YYZ-YAM, YYZ-YUL, and so on, also likely cost AC a lot more, per mile, to fly around than those doing more long-haul travel. Hence they may be high-spending without being terribly profitable.
Of course, measuring each flyer's individual profitability would be so complex as to not be worth it, but it would be nice if people around here at least acknowledged that top line and bottom line aren't the same thing.
If AC does introduce a spend-only qualification, you should be prepared for it to take more than $20K to make SE. AA and US both have a significant revenue premium for the spend-only status. So if it takes $25K to make SE, will that satisfy you, or are you just going to moan about how the spend threshold is too high?
So people who rack up a lot of dollars flying YYZ-YAM, YYZ-YUL, and so on, also likely cost AC a lot more, per mile, to fly around than those doing more long-haul travel. Hence they may be high-spending without being terribly profitable.
Of course, measuring each flyer's individual profitability would be so complex as to not be worth it, but it would be nice if people around here at least acknowledged that top line and bottom line aren't the same thing.
If AC does introduce a spend-only qualification, you should be prepared for it to take more than $20K to make SE. AA and US both have a significant revenue premium for the spend-only status. So if it takes $25K to make SE, will that satisfy you, or are you just going to moan about how the spend threshold is too high?
So I think to answer to your final question is "yes".
Dec 12, 2019, 2:55 pm
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Of course the spend threshold for SE would go up from $20k if they went to a spend-only model.
Today they say, AT MINIMUM, that one must spend $20k AND fly 100k AQMs. People seem to forget that this is the absolute minimum. It's like coming last in the race - but hey, you finished, so we have to list your name in the results.
If they want to go spend only, that's fine with me. I can't imagine I wouldn't qualify no matter what changes they make - and I'm still a bottom-feeder dime-a-dozen unlike some of you crazy folk here with your 400k miles a year.
Today they say, AT MINIMUM, that one must spend $20k AND fly 100k AQMs. People seem to forget that this is the absolute minimum. It's like coming last in the race - but hey, you finished, so we have to list your name in the results.
If they want to go spend only, that's fine with me. I can't imagine I wouldn't qualify no matter what changes they make - and I'm still a bottom-feeder dime-a-dozen unlike some of you crazy folk here with your 400k miles a year.
Dec 12, 2019, 3:00 pm
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I concur, I've spent over $20K and only reach 50K Elite due to AQMs @ 58K, would be nice for AQDs to help elevate the status level. At the end of the day, bottom line (no matter KPIs they set, based on flight capacity or miles flown), should be taken into consideration here.
Dec 12, 2019, 3:11 pm
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Further to Adam Smith's reply above, you spent over $20K only reaching E50K status, yet you still fly with AC. So you see how, from AC's perspective, they don't really need to give you any higher status since they can get away with it? Because really, if you didn't like it, you would have taken your spend elsewhere already.