What will happen to the 767-300ER routes?
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: YYC, Canada
Programs: AC 35k
Posts: 1,898
What will happen to the 767-300ER routes?
As a YYC-based flier I am very interested to see what happens to the 763 routes as all remaining mainline 763s will exit the fleet this year. When the Dreamliners launched, YYC had regular 788/789 service. With the oil crash and AC's shift in strategy to focus on YVR (even more than it did before), I don't see many 788/789/333s at YYC except for subs and Christmas.
Rumour is that AC moves a ton of cargo YYZ-YYC which makes having the widebodies and signature service worthwhile (S19 schedule has 2-3 763s on this trunk route again, same as winter) and of course there is YYC-NRT. Any prognostications on YYC service? I was hopeful but see new routes like YVR-AKL taking frames.
What about the other 763 routes, such as YOW-FRA (summer seasonal)? Will these move to 7M8 aircraft? Think they also use a frame for YYZ-DUB in winter.
Rumour is that AC moves a ton of cargo YYZ-YYC which makes having the widebodies and signature service worthwhile (S19 schedule has 2-3 763s on this trunk route again, same as winter) and of course there is YYC-NRT. Any prognostications on YYC service? I was hopeful but see new routes like YVR-AKL taking frames.
What about the other 763 routes, such as YOW-FRA (summer seasonal)? Will these move to 7M8 aircraft? Think they also use a frame for YYZ-DUB in winter.
#2
Moderator, Air Canada; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: YYC
Programs: AC SE MM, FB Plat, WS Plat, BA Silver, DL GM, Marriott Plat, Hilton Gold, Accor Silver
Posts: 16,775
Good question overall though. The 789 and 333 both have a lot more capacity than the 763s. Even the 788 (255 seats) is a 20% increase over the 763 (211 seats).
If only the 788 didn't have so many issues, maybe it would be a better fit to buy some more and just deal with the upgauge, but that doesn't seem likely. The Boeing NMA might be a better replacement for some of the shorter routes the 763 used to ply - it would be just fine throughout North America and some of the shorter Europe routes that have more demand than a 7M8 can handle - but wouldn't have the range to do some of the longer TATL routes or TPACs.
#3
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: YYC, Canada
Programs: AC 35k
Posts: 1,898
#4
Moderator, Air Canada; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: YYC
Programs: AC SE MM, FB Plat, WS Plat, BA Silver, DL GM, Marriott Plat, Hilton Gold, Accor Silver
Posts: 16,775
Other than pods for the redeye, YYZ could potentially just be addressed with higher frequency. But yes, for long-haul from YYC, NRT is the big question. I wouldn't hold out much hope given it's seasonal and less than daily already.
#5
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: AC E50K (*G), Westjet Gold
Posts: 788
As for a few others, my guesses:
YOW-LHR - MAX with seasonal 333 (I believe it used to be a 333 in the summer?)
YYC/YEG-YYZ - more frequency with MAX and 321s. That said, it seems that there are certain times of day that could make a 789 or 77L work on YYC (ie. 8am westbound to YYC, returning at noon - or 8pm westbound and red-eye back to YYZ).
YYZ-DUB - MAX with seasonal 333.
YYZ-MXP - 333. Big capacity increase, but I don't think they'd cut the route.
YYZ-MAD - maybe Rouge? If not, 333.
Even with just a few frames left, the 763 sure is an important plane for AC! It'll be interesting to see how they deal with the end of the 767 era!
#6
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: YYC, Canada
Programs: AC 35k
Posts: 1,898
If AC kills NRT, there is always the possibility WS will pick it up, but I still think ICN is a higher priority for them if they decide to launch any Asia flights ex-YYC.
#7
Moderator, Air Canada; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: YYC
Programs: AC SE MM, FB Plat, WS Plat, BA Silver, DL GM, Marriott Plat, Hilton Gold, Accor Silver
Posts: 16,775
I've heard from other fliers that AC runs a ton of cargo YYC-YYZ and the narrowbodies would be harder to load because they don't accept a certain pre-loaded container size. In addition, there is something to be said for maintaining "signature service" to YYZ for a seamless connection experience for paid J. WS looks like they will maintain a 789 frame on this route; AC may wish to be competitive or they may not care?
As for Signature Service the whole way, I'm not sure that holds up. The midday 763 YYZ-YYC is okay for some connections to Europe, but not great, and there's no widebody in the evening on YYZ-YYC to pick up people coming back (the 20:55 departure makes for a stupidly long layover). They would need to run a few daily widebodies to make that concept work.
If AC kills NRT, there is always the possibility WS will pick it up, but I still think ICN is a higher priority for them if they decide to launch any Asia flights ex-YYC.
#8
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: YYC, Canada
Programs: AC 35k
Posts: 1,898
As for Signature Service the whole way, I'm not sure that holds up. The midday 763 YYZ-YYC is okay for some connections to Europe, but not great, and there's no widebody in the evening on YYZ-YYC to pick up people coming back (the 20:55 departure makes for a stupidly long layover). They would need to run a few daily widebodies to make that concept work.
AC 144 - arrives in YYZ @ 1702
AC 010 - arrives in YYZ @ 1837
AC 156 - arrives in YYZ @ 0530 (red eye)
AC 137 - arrives at YYC @ 1000
AC 009 - arrives at YYC @ 1114
AC 151 - arrives at YYC @ 2044 (1835 departure at YYZ)
#9
Original Poster
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: YYC, Canada
Programs: AC 35k
Posts: 1,898
In the east to Europe they can replace 763s with one of the many 7M8 aircraft they have (like YYZ-SNN which seems random). YOW may even pick up a destination or two in summer. In the west, we are too far from either Europe or Asia to use a 7M8.
#10
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YYZ
Programs: Accor ALL Diamond, AC Aeroplan 25K, Nexus/GE
Posts: 2,734
I don't normally like cancellations, but was pleasantly surprised this morning to find my AC150 on a 737 was cancelled and replaced with a 777-300 an hour later from YYC to YYZ. Unless, of course, I get a deflated seat.
I typically book the morning 763 to YYC and will miss the widebody option in the future.
I typically book the morning 763 to YYC and will miss the widebody option in the future.
#11
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: YYC
Programs: AC 50k 1MM, Marriott LT Titanium Elite
Posts: 3,402
I don't normally like cancellations, but was pleasantly surprised this morning to find my AC150 on a 737 was cancelled and replaced with a 777-300 an hour later from YYC to YYZ. Unless, of course, I get a deflated seat.
I typically book the morning 763 to YYC and will miss the widebody option in the future.
I typically book the morning 763 to YYC and will miss the widebody option in the future.
#13
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: YYC
Programs: AC SE100*1MM; Spire Ambassador
Posts: 1,341
I still prefer 787 as an airplane, to 767, which makes things worse: instead of flying direct from YYC to NRT (I do a couple times a year), I always route YVR options. Years ago they had 787 on YYC-NRT and I always used the route.
#14
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE 2MM; UA MP Premier Silver; Marriott Bonvoy LT Titanium Elite; Radisson; Avis PC
Posts: 35,255
AC 9/10 and 888 have basically been 763s for as long as I can remember. But yeah, as you allude, if 9/10 goes back to a DreamCabin, I would give that some additional consideration over 3/4.
#15
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: YYC
Programs: AC SE100*1MM; Spire Ambassador
Posts: 1,341
It has been said that AC 9/10 will be seasonal routes on 763 metals (I was told by the YYC concierge over a week ago on a departing flight that AC 9/10 would only be seasonal routes on 763). I don’t want to fly 763s, so no way I will support their decision on 763 aircrafts.