Possible Air Canada CSeries routes (A220)
Aug 15, 2019, 11:47 am
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Plus it's a newer plane so that's another reason why I want it. Of all the North American cities that I go to, New York is near the top of the list. Right now I don't really like flying to LGA simply because the airport is so crappy and I have to take the bus to get there, but things are changing. I'm so excited that I wish there is a time machine and we can just skip ahead 2-4 years so we can experience these things already!
Aug 15, 2019, 11:48 am
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IIRC part of Delta's deal with Bombardier was that they were getting the aircraft for a really really low price but that they were only to be used on short-haul routes and that if Delta deployed them on longer routes they would need to pay Bombardier a higher price for those aircraft. Either Bombardier/Airbus waived that requirement or Delta is happy enough with the A220 that they are willing to pay the higher price to get the added range.
Aug 15, 2019, 11:53 am
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However the front lavs look relatively large. An improvement over the Max. As to the Y ones, well, both the lavs and Y seating seem consistent with what they did with the Max, apart from seat width, which they would have but it was not possible to add a sixt one across... Anyway, no surprise there, except they seem to have heard us regarding the front toilet. Trend continues, making Y as packed as possible and pricing it low, while improving J as long as costs are within an acceptable range. Limiting upgrades availability hence number of J seats.
Aug 15, 2019, 2:30 pm
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Just noticed on the seat map that they had to put most of the "Preferred" Y seats (other than row 12) at or behind the exit row (rows 19-21).
Also seems like a tiny Y galley and closet in J.
Also seems like a tiny Y galley and closet in J.
Aug 15, 2019, 3:42 pm
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I would never encourage anyone to fly with me.
But... the inaugural YYZ-SJC is currently J7 I7 (but that I7 is only visible to Aeroplan, otherwise it's I4)
I suspect there's an RM algorithm that says "we've never sold J on this route, so let's just open it up".
But... the inaugural YYZ-SJC is currently J7 I7 (but that I7 is only visible to Aeroplan, otherwise it's I4)
I suspect there's an RM algorithm that says "we've never sold J on this route, so let's just open it up".
Aug 15, 2019, 3:47 pm
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DL is using A221s on hub-hub routes at awkward hours (arriving after midnight or departing before 6am) when they struggle to fill a full-size narrowbody. They have SLC-JFK hub-hub scheduled as well
Aug 15, 2019, 10:17 pm
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United basically flies widebodies through tons of routes for hub to hub, including short runs like ORD EWR, LAX DEN, etc., at the same time that they fly regionals.
Aug 16, 2019, 8:54 am
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I have a YUL-YYC flight in April next year that has been switched from 319 to 223 in the last couple of days.
Interesting, hadn't seen that. SEA-ATL has been mostly 757s and 739s when I've looked at it in the past.
As of ~2 weeks ago DL had scheduled an A220-100 for SEA-ATL route in mid-2020 as reported by thepointsguy/Airlineroute here: https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-...ranscon-route/
But you're right, does seem to be low capacity for a hub-hub route.
But you're right, does seem to be low capacity for a hub-hub route.
Aug 16, 2019, 8:58 am
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Which makes lots of sense. It's not that long ago that they were putting E90s on that route. I could see the 319s ether disappearing or all going to Rouge BTW.
Aug 16, 2019, 10:00 am
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I posted this on a.net as well but in case anyone wants to catch a ride on the first commercial domestic flights, looks like the first few flights are between YUL-YYC & YUL-YWG taking over some A319 flights. Of course it can change anytime especially with the MAX8 grounding and no surprise that this will show up on the random rapidair subs as well.
Effective February 1
AC396 - YUL - YYC
AC318 - YUL - YYC
Effective April 5
AC371 - YUL - YWG
AC373 - YUL - YWG
Effective February 1
AC396 - YUL - YYC
AC318 - YUL - YYC
Effective April 5
AC371 - YUL - YWG
AC373 - YUL - YWG
Aug 16, 2019, 10:26 am
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I seem to remember the MAX was unceremoniously deployed on YYC-YUL and a couple of other domestic routes not long after delivery and a number of training/certification flights. It makes sense that this aircraft would be introduced in a similar fashion before the launch of the 'inaugural routes'.
Aug 16, 2019, 10:44 am
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When is AC set to take delivery of their first 220?
I seem to remember the MAX was unceremoniously deployed on YYC-YUL and a couple of other domestic routes not long after delivery and a number of training/certification flights. It makes sense that this aircraft would be introduced in a similar fashion before the launch of the 'inaugural routes'.
I seem to remember the MAX was unceremoniously deployed on YYC-YUL and a couple of other domestic routes not long after delivery and a number of training/certification flights. It makes sense that this aircraft would be introduced in a similar fashion before the launch of the 'inaugural routes'.
Aug 16, 2019, 10:49 am
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I posted this on a.net as well but in case anyone wants to catch a ride on the first commercial domestic flights, looks like the first few flights are between YUL-YYC & YUL-YWG taking over some A319 flights. Of course it can change anytime especially with the MAX8 grounding and no surprise that this will show up on the random rapidair subs as well.
Effective February 1
AC396 - YUL - YYC
AC318 - YUL - YYC
Effective April 5
AC371 - YUL - YWG
AC373 - YUL - YWG
Effective February 1
AC396 - YUL - YYC
AC318 - YUL - YYC
Effective April 5
AC371 - YUL - YWG
AC373 - YUL - YWG
