Vancouver - Honolulu - Vancouver in business class
Oct 24, 2018, 3:23 pm
#1
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Vancouver - Honolulu - Vancouver in business class
Flying January 26 - February 19 - 8:10am going 13:55 returning.
Is this a Rouge flight I don't think so) and what can I expect in business class please
?
Thank you!
Is this a Rouge flight I don't think so) and what can I expect in business class please
?Thank you!
Oct 24, 2018, 3:29 pm
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Oct 25, 2018, 7:10 am
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Not sure exactly what you are asking.
I’ve done the route many times on both Rouge and ML. However, not on 7M8. Longest on latter aircraft for me is just over 3 hrs.
Rouge (767, J) on this route was really uncomfortable. ML better due to pods. Service/soft product on both disappointing. Food was awful even during previous ML incarnation.
Not very impressed with 7M8 except that it was newer. Despite that, still had to “clean” seat/tray area. Being in row 1 made it marginally better and it felt like I had more space. I’m average height and still hit my head on the overhead bins when returning to my seat.
I’ve done the route many times on both Rouge and ML. However, not on 7M8. Longest on latter aircraft for me is just over 3 hrs.
Rouge (767, J) on this route was really uncomfortable. ML better due to pods. Service/soft product on both disappointing. Food was awful even during previous ML incarnation.
Not very impressed with 7M8 except that it was newer. Despite that, still had to “clean” seat/tray area. Being in row 1 made it marginally better and it felt like I had more space. I’m average height and still hit my head on the overhead bins when returning to my seat.
Oct 25, 2018, 11:54 am
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I've done it on 763 Rouge as well. Haven't tried the 78M seats myself yet.
763 Rouge business seats are less confortable than the A320 J seats.
meal service was decent, but food quality not as nice as mainline premium long haul J (i.e. yyc/yvr to yyz/yul).
763 Rouge business seats are less confortable than the A320 J seats.
meal service was decent, but food quality not as nice as mainline premium long haul J (i.e. yyc/yvr to yyz/yul).
Oct 25, 2018, 2:08 pm
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Oct 31, 2018, 12:58 pm
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I have done this route prior to Rouge and during the Rouge days. Someone else may have info from the current season. However, I never saw big difference in the J meals.
Seemed to me, pre-Rouge the meals were worse than those on a route like YYZ-LAX, for example. In both cases, it was pretty pathetic. I recall once asking for another roll and being told “we board one per person”.
The saving grace pre-Rouge was pods. Creative scheduling got you a pod which was great, especially for the red-eye flights back to the mainland.
A trip down nostalgia lane: If we go really far back, you could do this route as part of AC 33/34. A small number of seats were allocated to those deplaning/boarding in the islands. No pods back then but a much superior meal service and premium wines.
Hopefully catering has improved. Bon appetite.
Seemed to me, pre-Rouge the meals were worse than those on a route like YYZ-LAX, for example. In both cases, it was pretty pathetic. I recall once asking for another roll and being told “we board one per person”.
The saving grace pre-Rouge was pods. Creative scheduling got you a pod which was great, especially for the red-eye flights back to the mainland.
A trip down nostalgia lane: If we go really far back, you could do this route as part of AC 33/34. A small number of seats were allocated to those deplaning/boarding in the islands. No pods back then but a much superior meal service and premium wines.
Hopefully catering has improved. Bon appetite.
Oct 31, 2018, 1:10 pm
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Any suggestions for travelling to HI in comfort with an infant? YXC Likely via YYC/YVR to OGG/KOA/ITO
Possibly this winter, but definitely the following 2019/20. I now see that the routes have been de-Rouge’d, but the 7M8 doesn’t look like much of a treat, or really even have space for a bassinet. I also realize that there could be metal changes in the mean time... but would like to know if there are better options that are sometimes offered, on another carrier, with an extra connect, etc.
Possibly this winter, but definitely the following 2019/20. I now see that the routes have been de-Rouge’d, but the 7M8 doesn’t look like much of a treat, or really even have space for a bassinet. I also realize that there could be metal changes in the mean time... but would like to know if there are better options that are sometimes offered, on another carrier, with an extra connect, etc.
Oct 31, 2018, 1:32 pm
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All of my AC ML flights (30+) to/from Hawaii in J (all widebody pre-Signature Service rollout) have had the same service as "normal" transborder/domestic transcon service.
So I'm going to guess that AC536 will be the same as narrowbody transborder longhaul J. But I could be wrong. (How dare I guess!)
Oct 31, 2018, 2:54 pm
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Any suggestions for travelling to HI in comfort with an infant? YXC Likely via YYC/YVR to OGG/KOA/ITO
Possibly this winter, but definitely the following 2019/20. I now see that the routes have been de-Rouge’d, but the 7M8 doesn’t look like much of a treat, or really even have space for a bassinet. I also realize that there could be metal changes in the mean time... but would like to know if there are better options that are sometimes offered, on another carrier, with an extra connect, etc.
Possibly this winter, but definitely the following 2019/20. I now see that the routes have been de-Rouge’d, but the 7M8 doesn’t look like much of a treat, or really even have space for a bassinet. I also realize that there could be metal changes in the mean time... but would like to know if there are better options that are sometimes offered, on another carrier, with an extra connect, etc.
Some UA flights to HNL have flat beds.
AC YYC-OGG in February is $1500 in J.
That's cheaper or within a couple hundred dollars of the cheapest American carrier fares.
Maybe a flight pass?
Go late this winter and early next winter.
Nov 2, 2018, 7:45 pm
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I know there’s a lot of hate for the 7M8 but I’ve flown in business YYZ-LAX several times (which is comparable to YVR-HNL) and it’s fine. I honestly don’t find it any worse (or better) than on the 320. Definitely better than Rouge.
Nov 4, 2018, 9:40 am
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I booked YYZ-DEN-KOA on United in March a couple of weeks ago. Fare I got was CDN$2156 return.. DEN-KOA is flat bed. See how it is.