YYZ-LAS Why Always Rouge?
Oct 17, 2018, 10:28 am
#31
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I think, we are all missing the bigger picture.
The loss of T2 at LAS. It was such a wonderful, crappy terminal. No lineup at security, no line for cabs. It was wonderful
The loss of T2 at LAS. It was such a wonderful, crappy terminal. No lineup at security, no line for cabs. It was wonderful
Oct 17, 2018, 11:05 am
#32
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Oct 17, 2018, 11:39 am
#33
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Especially before Winter kicked in.
Oct 17, 2018, 11:56 am
#34
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Other than LAS, MCO is another "tourists" destination with lots of business traffic, served by ACr.
I would also name a few airports in the Caribbean. I know someone who flies BGI-YYZ almost bi-weekly, for business purpose.
I would also name a few airports in the Caribbean. I know someone who flies BGI-YYZ almost bi-weekly, for business purpose.
Oct 17, 2018, 12:49 pm
#35
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I went to a conference in LAS in August and to be honest I was not looking forward to flying Rouge.
So I routed YOW - YYC (on mainline) - LAS (on rouge) and then LAS - YVR (on rouge) - YOW (on mainlline). But I booked the whole trip in J (P fare).
I didn't find the Premium Rouge product to be nearly as bad as I was expecting. It's is similar to domestic J (in my opinion). The biggest difference is no seat back entertainment - but the iPads they give you in Premium Rouge were fine and they are more responsive than the older seat back screens anyway (but less content).
Service was a bit more hit and miss than regular J. I had eaten on the YOW - YYC segment, so when they tried to serve me dinner on the LAS segment I asked for just the dessert and she looked a little confused - but otherwise it was fine. The staff seemed friendly, but they certainly have less experience than mainline.
Now, my experience is Premium Rouge, so I cannot speak for Y, but I figured I would give my 2c.
So I routed YOW - YYC (on mainline) - LAS (on rouge) and then LAS - YVR (on rouge) - YOW (on mainlline). But I booked the whole trip in J (P fare).
I didn't find the Premium Rouge product to be nearly as bad as I was expecting. It's is similar to domestic J (in my opinion). The biggest difference is no seat back entertainment - but the iPads they give you in Premium Rouge were fine and they are more responsive than the older seat back screens anyway (but less content).
Service was a bit more hit and miss than regular J. I had eaten on the YOW - YYC segment, so when they tried to serve me dinner on the LAS segment I asked for just the dessert and she looked a little confused - but otherwise it was fine. The staff seemed friendly, but they certainly have less experience than mainline.
Now, my experience is Premium Rouge, so I cannot speak for Y, but I figured I would give my 2c.
Oct 17, 2018, 7:48 pm
#36
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I have been flying out of YQB for several years and I am still trying to understand what you are saying. Prior to being operated by Sky Regional and rouge, the YYZ-YQB route was definitely operated by Jazz with Q400s year round. There wasn’t any ML aircraft in YQB, even in November, unless as I mentioned above if IRROPS occurred.
But we are getting OT, so I will just stop at that.
Oct 17, 2018, 8:29 pm
#37
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So I routed YOW - YYC (on mainline) - LAS (on rouge) and then LAS - YVR (on rouge) - YOW (on mainlline). But I booked the whole trip in J (P fare).
I didn't find the Premium Rouge product to be nearly as bad as I was expecting. It's is similar to domestic J (in my opinion). The biggest difference is no seat back entertainment - but the iPads they give you in Premium Rouge were fine and they are more responsive than the older seat back screens anyway (but less content).
OTOH there are the limitations associated with equipment and number of seats. Boarding is slow because of all the seats in the back and lack of bin space. The 319, I still don't really mind. But I would rather avoid the 763. For the same reasons, plus (1)premium seats are actually quite small, and (2) bin space even in premium rouge is not sufficient.
Oct 17, 2018, 9:42 pm
#38
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Sky Regional rather than Skyservice ?
Oct 17, 2018, 10:04 pm
#39
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Service on premium rouge is essentially the same as in J mainline. Except for taking care of coats: no closets.
OTOH there are the limitations associated with equipment and number of seats. Boarding is slow because of all the seats in the back and lack of bin space. The 319, I still don't really mind. But I would rather avoid the 763. For the same reasons, plus (1)premium seats are actually quite small, and (2) bin space even in premium rouge is not sufficient.
OTOH there are the limitations associated with equipment and number of seats. Boarding is slow because of all the seats in the back and lack of bin space. The 319, I still don't really mind. But I would rather avoid the 763. For the same reasons, plus (1)premium seats are actually quite small, and (2) bin space even in premium rouge is not sufficient.
Oct 18, 2018, 12:50 am
#40
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I have flown many times to both for work in the past (before Rouge). I guess the bean counters gave reason and it's working.
Oct 18, 2018, 6:49 am
#41
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Oct 18, 2018, 7:11 am
#42
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Rouge to Vegas because... (pick 1)
-clearly a beach destination
-never any business travelers or conferences
-not enough demand for service more than once a week
-90% of tickets are sold by AC Vacations
OR
-ACr can pack 'em in like sardines with lower crew cost + lower cost per available seat mile
Also, package prices to vegas with hotel or car are only a good deal for one party: the travel seller. The only exception I have found is that sometimes during tech conferences, some sellers who bundle hotel+airfare have lower rates because they pre-negotiate blocks of rooms for every week of the year. In my younger days I'd book those and laugh at the disclaimer which would "prohibit business/conference attendees booking at these rates."
-clearly a beach destination
-never any business travelers or conferences
-not enough demand for service more than once a week
-90% of tickets are sold by AC Vacations
OR
-ACr can pack 'em in like sardines with lower crew cost + lower cost per available seat mile
Also, package prices to vegas with hotel or car are only a good deal for one party: the travel seller. The only exception I have found is that sometimes during tech conferences, some sellers who bundle hotel+airfare have lower rates because they pre-negotiate blocks of rooms for every week of the year. In my younger days I'd book those and laugh at the disclaimer which would "prohibit business/conference attendees booking at these rates."
You do know that CES and NAB and many other Conferences happen in Vegas right? look at the schedule for the Las Vegas Convention Center its packed with mega trade shows
Oct 18, 2018, 7:20 am
#43
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Sorry Cow, but AC remains a joke.
Oct 18, 2018, 7:26 am
#44
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I think you missed the sarcasm in that post...Everyone (except AC perhaps) knows that Vegas is convention city.
Oct 18, 2018, 7:30 am
#45
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I wonder why WS is putting Swoop onto LAS, PHX and MCO routes then?