Reality check - how is it for pilots in gerneal right now?
Jun 3, 2003, 2:20 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by exAC:
The cost of the education is comparable to any junior university degree. The time spent learning is less.</font>
The cost of the education is comparable to any junior university degree. The time spent learning is less.</font>
Jun 3, 2003, 2:29 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by msn:
Yes, where else can someone at age 17 go to a trade school and come out in a couple of years with a profession that people put on a level with a medical doctor?</font>
Yes, where else can someone at age 17 go to a trade school and come out in a couple of years with a profession that people put on a level with a medical doctor?</font>
I know of many careers/professions where people have little or no post secondary schooling, and earn on par with an MD or more than.
I guess it all comes down to supply and demand, and the importance we place on the role of the pilot.
IMveryHO, I place a huge importance on the role of the pilot, as I do my MD
Jun 3, 2003, 2:39 pm
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Let's see - someone gets into university at age 18, and after ten years, is an M.D. and can start to practice.
In the meantime, by the time the pilot is 20, he or she is already flying and earning a living.
I could do some financial models for you, but being a pilot does not pay less than being a medical doctor.
The second point is that for the "high pay" of a doctor, the doctor is on call and has less family time than most professions, whereas the average pilot has enough time on his hands to "moonlight" in a second job on the off days.
In the meantime, by the time the pilot is 20, he or she is already flying and earning a living.
I could do some financial models for you, but being a pilot does not pay less than being a medical doctor.
The second point is that for the "high pay" of a doctor, the doctor is on call and has less family time than most professions, whereas the average pilot has enough time on his hands to "moonlight" in a second job on the off days.
Jun 3, 2003, 3:00 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RampPilot:
$40,000+ for a junior university degree? Are you out of your mind?
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$40,000+ for a junior university degree? Are you out of your mind?
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So after 4 years of UNI you have spent $40k and thats great go find a job for 85 hours a month that pay as well???
Jun 3, 2003, 3:01 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by RampPilot:
$40,000+ for a junior university degree? Are you out of your mind?
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$40,000+ for a junior university degree? Are you out of your mind?
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My joint community college / university course I was taking last year was $4K/yr.
Tuition alone before other mandatory fees where I'll be attending (Dalhousie) are creeping towards $6K/yr.
Jun 3, 2003, 3:05 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by YYZC2:
Tuition alone before other mandatory fees where I'll be attending (Dalhousie) are creeping towards $6K/yr.</font>
Tuition alone before other mandatory fees where I'll be attending (Dalhousie) are creeping towards $6K/yr.</font>
I'm paying a mere 4500CAD for my tuition at Ottawa. Next year, I'm looking at more than 10.000GBP at Edinburgh (tuition) or 16.000EUR (tuition and board) at the College of Europe. Anyone want to make a contribution to the "Send the mandarin away to get a real education"-fund? parnel?
Get your education for cheap in Canada while you can!!!
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Jun 3, 2003, 3:10 pm
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by msn:
The second point is that for the "high pay" of a doctor, the doctor is on call and has less family time than most professions, whereas the average pilot has enough time on his hands to "moonlight" in a second job on the off days.
I agree whole heartedly on this point. For the hours actually worked and for not being on call, the pilots are paid in a very generous way.
You will have to forgive me, I have a habit of oversimplyfying things. As I comfortably sit in my seat, I want the pilots commanding this hunk of metal that is soaked in kereosene, to be very well trained, happy in their job, no crisis' in their lives
The second point is that for the "high pay" of a doctor, the doctor is on call and has less family time than most professions, whereas the average pilot has enough time on his hands to "moonlight" in a second job on the off days.
I agree whole heartedly on this point. For the hours actually worked and for not being on call, the pilots are paid in a very generous way.
You will have to forgive me, I have a habit of oversimplyfying things. As I comfortably sit in my seat, I want the pilots commanding this hunk of metal that is soaked in kereosene, to be very well trained, happy in their job, no crisis' in their lives
Jun 3, 2003, 3:26 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by YOWkid:
Isn't Dalhousie the most expensive uni in Canada?</font>
Isn't Dalhousie the most expensive uni in Canada?</font>
Jun 3, 2003, 3:50 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by taupo:
I agree whole heartedly on this point. For the hours actually worked and for not being on call, the pilots are paid in a very generous way.
You will have to forgive me, I have a habit of oversimplyfying things. As I comfortably sit in my seat, I want the pilots commanding this hunk of metal that is soaked in kereosene, to be very well trained, happy in their job, no crisis' in their lives</font>
I agree whole heartedly on this point. For the hours actually worked and for not being on call, the pilots are paid in a very generous way.
You will have to forgive me, I have a habit of oversimplyfying things. As I comfortably sit in my seat, I want the pilots commanding this hunk of metal that is soaked in kereosene, to be very well trained, happy in their job, no crisis' in their lives
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Jun 3, 2003, 3:52 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by taupo:
... I want the pilots commanding this hunk of metal that is soaked in kereosene, to be very well trained, happy in their job, no crisis' in their lives </font>
... I want the pilots commanding this hunk of metal that is soaked in kereosene, to be very well trained, happy in their job, no crisis' in their lives </font>
Jun 3, 2003, 3:57 pm
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[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by taupo:
Statistically speaking you should be more worried about rideing in a Taxi or with your son when hes under 23 driving 
Originally posted by msn:
I want the pilots commanding this hunk of metal that is soaked in kereosene, to be very well trained, happy in their job, no crisis' in their lives
I want the pilots commanding this hunk of metal that is soaked in kereosene, to be very well trained, happy in their job, no crisis' in their lives
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Jun 3, 2003, 3:58 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by why fly:
Statistically speaking you should be more worried about rideing with your son when hes under 23 driving </font>
Statistically speaking you should be more worried about rideing with your son when hes under 23 driving
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Jun 3, 2003, 4:04 pm
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Well, think about it - there are some jurisdictions where the person piloting the plane that has just landed would not be old enough to buy a drink at the bar in the airport - not that a pilot should be having a drink at the airport - don't drink and fly!
Jun 3, 2003, 4:04 pm
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I'm not too sure what the difference between a 'junior' University degree and a 'normal' University degree, but I must respectfully disagree.
To go from nothing to a commercial pilots license is $25-$40k for the tuition alone. While the cost of a University education has doubled (Canadian average) over the past 10 years, a 4 year program still comes out at ~$20,000.
Looking 10-15 years ago, where tuition (in Alberta, at least) was ~$1000 / year (seen tuition triple in this period of time), I'm pretty confident that the cost to get a commercial pilot's license did not suffer the same increases over this time.
To go from nothing to a commercial pilots license is $25-$40k for the tuition alone. While the cost of a University education has doubled (Canadian average) over the past 10 years, a 4 year program still comes out at ~$20,000.
Looking 10-15 years ago, where tuition (in Alberta, at least) was ~$1000 / year (seen tuition triple in this period of time), I'm pretty confident that the cost to get a commercial pilot's license did not suffer the same increases over this time.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by exAC:
The pilot comes out sadly lacking.
The cost of the education is comparable to any junior university degree. The time spent learning is less. </font>
The pilot comes out sadly lacking.
The cost of the education is comparable to any junior university degree. The time spent learning is less. </font>