Minimum mile segment question...
Nov 15, 2017 | 10:26 pm
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Minimum mile segment question...
Ahoy there, I'm E35K presently...and am close to qualifying for E50K. I've got a couple of business trips coming up that will get me close. I know that minimum miles per segment is 250 (YVR-YYJ, for instance) but in C-class, where there is a 150% AQM accumulation, does that also apply to the minimum 250m, i.e.: if I booked a trip in C, would the short hops (YVR-YYJ again for example) net me 375 AQM or is there a cap for those minimum miles, regardless of class of service?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Nov 15, 2017 | 10:33 pm
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Hi a4racer, your assumption is accurate in that you will definitely receive the bonus 150% AQM, in addition to the minimum 250m for short hop runs. Hope these bonus AQM will reduce the number of additional trips required to achieve 50K.
Nov 15, 2017 | 10:47 pm
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I would believe canadian cow over me based on the difference number of posts between us
. Unfortunately, if I have purchased J class to international destinations, I avoided planes that don't offer business class seats. Luckily, being in Ottawa, all of the flights between Ottawa and Toronto offer business class, which I usually take. However, I would avoid flights between Ottawa and Montreal, unless taking either one of the CRAs or Embraers. Apologise for the misinformation.
. Unfortunately, if I have purchased J class to international destinations, I avoided planes that don't offer business class seats. Luckily, being in Ottawa, all of the flights between Ottawa and Toronto offer business class, which I usually take. However, I would avoid flights between Ottawa and Montreal, unless taking either one of the CRAs or Embraers. Apologise for the misinformation.
Nov 16, 2017 | 12:12 am
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I think I get it...
to clarify, I would be flying YYJ onwards, just connecting through YVR, ie to YYZ...in that case would all segments be in the C class fare bucket for AQM purposes?
Nov 16, 2017 | 12:19 am
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Nov 16, 2017 | 5:11 am
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There is a direct fro. YYJ to YYZ. That flight does have a J cabin. I have not done the calculation to determine which option provides the most AQM.
Nov 16, 2017 | 5:18 am
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No. When you have a segment on an aircraft with no J cabin, your bucket is usually Y (125%) for that segment. The rest of your trip will be business class (likely P = 150%). It's the same thing from YQB where I live; small hops YQB-YUL or YQB-YYZ always in Y (125%) while the remainder is P (business class = 150%).
Nov 16, 2017 | 10:10 am
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Thanks...
No. When you have a segment on an aircraft with no J cabin, your bucket is usually Y (125%) for that segment. The rest of your trip will be business class (likely P = 150%). It's the same thing from YQB where I live; small hops YQB-YUL or YQB-YYZ always in Y (125%) while the remainder is P (business class = 150%).
a) YYJ-YVR leg is on Q400 at 125%;
b) YYZ-YQM or YUL-YQM leg is on Q400 and hence also only at 125%; and
c) I should maximize the length of the leg that is 150% eligible ie: the YVR-YUL leg as opposed to the YVR-YYZ leg, which is like 210m shorter.
I had looked at the YYJ-YYZ direct, but the increase in 150% eligible mileage over the YVR-YYZ + 250m for the YYJ-YVR leg doesn't make up for that 250m @ 125%.
Nov 16, 2017 | 10:15 am
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welp.
So if I were flying YYJ to YQM, I'd be best off to go YYJ-YVR-YUL-YQM instead of YYJ-YVR-YYZ-YQM because:
a) YYJ-YVR leg is on Q400 at 125%;
b) YYZ-YQM or YUL-YQM leg is on Q400 and hence also only at 125%; and
c) I should maximize the length of the leg that is 150% eligible ie: the YVR-YUL leg as opposed to the YVR-YYZ leg, which is like 210m shorter.
I had looked at the YYJ-YYZ direct, but the increase in 150% eligible mileage over the YVR-YYZ + 250m for the YYJ-YVR leg doesn't make up for that 250m @ 125%.
a) YYJ-YVR leg is on Q400 at 125%;
b) YYZ-YQM or YUL-YQM leg is on Q400 and hence also only at 125%; and
c) I should maximize the length of the leg that is 150% eligible ie: the YVR-YUL leg as opposed to the YVR-YYZ leg, which is like 210m shorter.
I had looked at the YYJ-YYZ direct, but the increase in 150% eligible mileage over the YVR-YYZ + 250m for the YYJ-YVR leg doesn't make up for that 250m @ 125%.
Flying through YYZ is still better. That gets me 4381 AQM (YYJ-YVR @125%, YVR-YYZ @ 150%, YYZ-YQM @125%) over 4306 AQM (YYJ-YVR @125%, YVR-YUL@150%, YUL-YQM@125%).
Gonna be tight to qualify!
Nov 16, 2017 | 10:29 am
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A lot of the cheaper P fares book into M for single-cabin aircraft.
On Sunday, I booked YYG-YHZ-YUL-YQB on a P fare. The fare classes were M P M.
Nov 16, 2017 | 11:21 am
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This was my experience too. Booked P fare YYJ-YVR-YYC, and YYJ-YVR booked into M, not Y/B. So OP, you will likely only get 100% for YYJ-YVR.
Sep 25, 2018 | 1:32 pm
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Can someone clarify the 250 minimum, is it as simple as it sounds?
I often fly YVR-YEG in standard class, and on my dashboard I don't see any minimum mile, just 126 AQM, should I be getting 250 for each of these legs?
I often fly YVR-YEG in standard class, and on my dashboard I don't see any minimum mile, just 126 AQM, should I be getting 250 for each of these legs?
Sep 25, 2018 | 1:51 pm
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YYJ-YVR distance is about 39 miles. For mileage calculation, this would become 250. So a Flex fare (100% earning) would earn 250 AQM. Standard would earn 250 x 25% = 62.5 (rounds to 63) AQM. A business fare would be 250 x 150% = 375%.
In the case of YVR-YEG, the base distance is about 504, so there's no adjustment. Your 126 AQM is 25% of the distance, i.e. it's correct.
Sep 25, 2018 | 1:59 pm
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The 250-mile minimum is based on distance and is prior to any CoS-based adjustments. A segment, like YYJ-YVR, that has a distance of fewer than 250 miles will be adjusted upwards for mileage calculation purposes, then CoS calculations will be applied.
YYJ-YVR distance is about 39 miles. For mileage calculation, this would become 250. So a Flex fare (100% earning) would earn 250 AQM. Standard would earn 250 x 25% = 62.5 (rounds to 63) AQM. A business fare would be 250 x 150% = 375%.
In the case of YVR-YEG, the base distance is about 504, so there's no adjustment. Your 126 AQM is 25% of the distance, i.e. it's correct.
YYJ-YVR distance is about 39 miles. For mileage calculation, this would become 250. So a Flex fare (100% earning) would earn 250 AQM. Standard would earn 250 x 25% = 62.5 (rounds to 63) AQM. A business fare would be 250 x 150% = 375%.
In the case of YVR-YEG, the base distance is about 504, so there's no adjustment. Your 126 AQM is 25% of the distance, i.e. it's correct.
Hit E35 this yr, and even have a chance for E50 but only if I got 250 for my 10+ yvr-yeg legs in standard...
just like last year where I was under 1000 AQM off of E35, and couldn't finagle my way into it.