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http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/rulings-dec...-A-2003_e.html

-so what exactly are they saying here?????

cedric

Seems to me that Martinair has the choice of providing scheduled services from 2 of the following cities: Halifax, Montr�al, Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver and now Edmonton.

fromYYZ_flyer

I believe Martinair is one of the airlines @ YYZ considered to be serving the YYZ-AMS and AMS-YYZ along with KLM(daily flight) and Air Canada(no flights I have seen)

tracon

Martinair equipment quite often operates YVR-AMS with KLM call sign. I've known a few people who have been dissapointed to find they were travelling on a charter carrier when they bought a ticket on a scheduled airline.

Altaflyer

This evil national airline of ours is now sabotaging other airlines from properly serving YEG - simply unbelievable. I will make sure to send this link to the Edmonton Journal - perhaps it will generate some press coverage for Air Canada. Here are some excerpts:

"Air Canada provides a breakdown of capacity by carrier for services between Canada and the Netherlands. Air Canada indicates that, if the extra-bilateral request were granted, the Dutch carriers, namely KLM and Martinair will operate 80 percent of the capacity between Canada and the Netherlands. Air Canada believes that the Dutch carriers already derive significant benefits under the existing Agreement and additional extra-bilateral capacity should be denied.

Air Canada also indicates that several air carriers are feeling the effects of difficult economic times. As Air Canada relies on traffic feed to/from its network to ensure the economic viability of its Toronto-Amsterdam service, the problem will be exacerbated if Martinair were to obtain authority to operate flights not permitted under the Agreement"

FlyerAl

Back in the day, didn't CP Air fly YEG-AMS?

Altaflyer

If they did it was before my time. CP and AC used to both fly YEG-LHR though.

PointWeasel

Shortly after 9/11, Martinair replaced KLM equipment for the slower period of travel on YVR-AMS as mentioned above. I know that pax were not at all impressed that they booked with a 'major carrier' and ended up on an older charter aircraft. KLM has restored the mainline service to YVR, however, KLM may be interested in restoring seasonal service on YYC-AMS due to high summer demand.

airbus320

A while back, I flew Martinair YOW-AMS on a KLM codeshare. There was a stopover in YHZ. I remember the lobster being loaded for Europe!

I was not impressed with the pitch and I can't remember the aircraft type.

[This message has been edited by airbus320 (edited 03-12-2003).]

tracon

Yes CP flew YEG-AMS in the early 80s and probably before that. Equipment was DC10 or B742.

Ace Cdn

Martinair had scheduled service to YYC last summer.

makin'miles

Martinair also had charter service to AMS from YEG last summer. IIRC, however, it was only bookable through Butte Travel Service.

Furthermore, before KLM flew out of YYC, wasn't the service run out of YEG?

Canada 3000 is also now out of the market and they used to do AMS turns from YYC.

YOWkid

I know that in the early to mid/late 1990s, KL actually operated its own 742 on the route. I was not aware, however, that Martinair did some of the work as well...

tcook052

No, KLM hasn't to my knowledge flown out of YEG. The YYC run was around in early 90's as I took it twice in two years around 92-93. And, no the Martinair product has never been available only through once travel agency as it's been booked in last umpteen years via Sunquest West tour company or in the airline CRS directly.

makin'miles

Thanks for the clarification tcook. I have a good friend whose mother is a travel agent and she told me that they were not able to book the Martinair charters ex-YEG last summer.