AC No Longer Allowing Nexus as Sole Basis to Enter Canada?
Jan 10, 2017, 8:46 am
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Originally Posted by WR Cage
If we bow to the lowest common denominator of airline employee intelligence or desire to do their job appropriately; then how do you expect to ever partake in the extra conveniences afforded by the governmental regulatory systems? Rhetorically, how about elite perks (a topic for another thread)?
Jan 10, 2017, 11:21 am
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What does AC say they allow?
hmm.
https://res.aircanada.ca/APIS/
https://beta.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco...documents.html
hmmm
who cares about rules though
hmm.
https://res.aircanada.ca/APIS/
https://beta.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco...documents.html
hmmm
who cares about rules though
1. Agent knowledge (or lack thereof)
or 2. System limitations
If your goal is to say "look at me I'm right", then fine, tell everyone to just bring your NEXUS card.
If your goal is to help people have a painless travel experience, then a passport is going to be necessary.
Jan 10, 2017, 12:09 pm
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Exactly. I don't care what the rules are if it's going to waste an hour of my time due to:
1. Agent knowledge (or lack thereof)
or 2. System limitations
If your goal is to say "look at me I'm right", then fine, tell everyone to just bring your NEXUS card.
If your goal is to help people have a painless travel experience, then a passport is going to be necessary.
1. Agent knowledge (or lack thereof)
or 2. System limitations
If your goal is to say "look at me I'm right", then fine, tell everyone to just bring your NEXUS card.
If your goal is to help people have a painless travel experience, then a passport is going to be necessary.
And I answered the question.
Whereas a lot of the replies in this thread have not.
And a SE 100K saying they don't care about airline rules? That's humorous. Half the threads in this subforum are about people complaining about changes to "rules".
Precisely, and very well put. It's important to remain calm, polite and respectful at all times when challenging incorrect officialdom. Acquiescing to misinformed staff is allowing yourself to become another member of the sheeple herd. Not for me, thank you. Gentle pushback is ironically sometimes the path of least resistance, using a long term traveling perspective.
I have never in this thread suggested people travel without their passport. If you had a choice between carrying your passport and not, you would obviously carry your passport. That's like asking whether you would rather sit in economy vs business class. But this thread is not about that.
It's about whether it's legal and possible to travel without your passport (the answer is yes), not whether it's recommended.
Some posters seem to struggle with these distinctions and like to really pass on normative judgments despite everyone having different circumstances.
If your passport expires, the CBSA or USCBP agents will immediately know about the situation.
Just over 4 years ago my passport expired but not Nexus card. When I got the passport I entered the new information into GOES. Next trip i got an expired document notification on the USCBP agent screen. Looking at the screen I could see that both my new and old passports were in their system. The USCBP officer deleted the old passport and the situation was resolved. Same experience on the return with CBSA.
Just over 4 years ago my passport expired but not Nexus card. When I got the passport I entered the new information into GOES. Next trip i got an expired document notification on the USCBP agent screen. Looking at the screen I could see that both my new and old passports were in their system. The USCBP officer deleted the old passport and the situation was resolved. Same experience on the return with CBSA.
If you update it on GOES, they still have to verify it. (e.g. that the information you inputted online is actually correct)
The problem is when people get a new passport, don't tell either CBSA or CBP, and then use expedited entry lanes without having updated any information. That's a no-no.
At least they don't charge money to update information like the UK Registered Traveler program does, though.
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Jan 10, 2017, 12:44 pm
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I always travel with my passport, even between the US and Canada, and I don't see a reason not to. I did once forget my passport in a jacket pocket and didn't realize I was without it until checking a bag at YYZ, where the agent was unsure but let me go ahead. All went fine.
That is absolutely incorrect.
And that requirement has actually been gone for some time.
Canada is the same as the US
Actually, I've even used GE machines with my NEXUS card at US airports.
Actually, I've only had a GE kiosk reject my NEXUS card once - at SAN. Otherwise, I've had it accepted at SFO, MIA, JFK, EWR and LAX.
GE machines in Canadian pre-clearance ports accept NEXUS cards 100% of the time. Most at US airports do too, at least in my experience.
The last 2 posts are not correct. A passport is not required for Can-USA-Can travel, air or land if one has a valid Nexus card. Having said that, I do always carry my Passport on air trips just in case of misinformed AIRLINE personnel.
Carrying a Passport was initially required but not anymore.
Carrying a Passport was initially required but not anymore.
source: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...al-information
NEXUS members now have crossing privileges at any air, land, and marine ports of entry. Under theWestern Hemisphere Travel Initiative(WHTI), the NEXUS card has been approved as an alternative to the passport for air travel into the United States for U.S. and Canadian citizens.
Maybe its just entry for USA not Canada. Trying to find for Canada entry.
NEXUS members now have crossing privileges at any air, land, and marine ports of entry. Under theWestern Hemisphere Travel Initiative(WHTI), the NEXUS card has been approved as an alternative to the passport for air travel into the United States for U.S. and Canadian citizens.
Maybe its just entry for USA not Canada. Trying to find for Canada entry.
And for kicks: the US Global Entry machines are set up to know not to accept NEXUS if you are entering the US from a non-Canadian Port of Entry.
For example, if you scan your NEXUS in the GE machines at YVR Preclearance, there's no problem. But if you scan your NEXUS card at the GE machine at say, IAH, it will tell you that your travel document is not valid for this itinerary and to use a different document. (i.e. Passport)
For example, if you scan your NEXUS in the GE machines at YVR Preclearance, there's no problem. But if you scan your NEXUS card at the GE machine at say, IAH, it will tell you that your travel document is not valid for this itinerary and to use a different document. (i.e. Passport)
I thought the US Global Entry machines would only read passports, but this thread has me curious if it would recognize a nexus card.
During EYW, my experience was that if I use my nexus in the 'known traveler#' field, then AC's system would not accept the same Nexus # as the official travel document. So I then tested a YTZ-YUL-LGA and purposely did not enter a KTN and the system lets me use my nexus # as the travel doc.
I have been on calls where the I could tell the Concierge only asks my Nexus # then seems to have delays checking me in. Now I just explain the above and have them use my passport as the travel doc.
During EYW, my experience was that if I use my nexus in the 'known traveler#' field, then AC's system would not accept the same Nexus # as the official travel document. So I then tested a YTZ-YUL-LGA and purposely did not enter a KTN and the system lets me use my nexus # as the travel doc.
I have been on calls where the I could tell the Concierge only asks my Nexus # then seems to have delays checking me in. Now I just explain the above and have them use my passport as the travel doc.
Jan 10, 2017, 12:51 pm
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My goal is to answer the OP, which you phrased as "the thread title is about what AC allows".
And I answered the question.
Whereas a lot of the replies in this thread have not.
And a SE 100K saying they don't care about airline rules? That's humorous. Half the threads in this subforum are about people complaining about changes to "rules". IKK, anyone? AQD?
And I answered the question.
Whereas a lot of the replies in this thread have not.
And a SE 100K saying they don't care about airline rules? That's humorous. Half the threads in this subforum are about people complaining about changes to "rules". IKK, anyone? AQD?
That's not true for many rules. The hassle of being denied a benefit is generally MUCH higher than pulling up a website for the agent.
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Jan 10, 2017, 3:04 pm
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The thread title: "AC No Longer Allowing Nexus as Sole Basis to Enter Canada?"
Is using your NEXUS not a "benefit"?
That's not true for many rules. The hassle of being denied a benefit is generally MUCH higher than pulling up a website for the agent.
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Jan 10, 2017, 6:53 pm
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Please note some edits and post deletions have been made as this thread isn't about IKK or another FTer so let's go back to the thread topic if we can.
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Jan 11, 2017, 9:53 am
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FWIW, for the last 12 months, I've been using my NEXUS card for US domestic flights (BTV, EWR, MHT, IAH and ALB), and that was accepted/recognized as my only ID 100% of the time. (Pls note those were domestic flts, not crossborder itineraries).
Disclaimer: I still carry my passport (when I get to find it...)
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On a side note, due to current ineffective Canada Customs staffing at Canadian airports (well YUL in my case), I often find it faster to just drive to BTV for some US flying. CBSA is not really helping Canadian airports staying competitive...
Disclaimer: I still carry my passport (when I get to find it...)
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On a side note, due to current ineffective Canada Customs staffing at Canadian airports (well YUL in my case), I often find it faster to just drive to BTV for some US flying. CBSA is not really helping Canadian airports staying competitive...
Jan 11, 2017, 2:20 pm
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FWIW, for the last 12 months, I've been using my NEXUS card for US domestic flights (BTV, EWR, MHT, IAH and ALB), and that was accepted/recognized as my only ID 100% of the time. (Pls note those were domestic flts, not crossborder itineraries).
Disclaimer: I still carry my passport (when I get to find it...)
--------------------------------------------
On a side note, due to current ineffective Canada Customs staffing at Canadian airports (well YUL in my case), I often find it faster to just drive to BTV for some US flying. CBSA is not really helping Canadian airports staying competitive...
Disclaimer: I still carry my passport (when I get to find it...)
--------------------------------------------
On a side note, due to current ineffective Canada Customs staffing at Canadian airports (well YUL in my case), I often find it faster to just drive to BTV for some US flying. CBSA is not really helping Canadian airports staying competitive...
Jan 11, 2017, 7:28 pm
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Okay, question.
I don't travel to the USA often, maybe once or possibly twice a year. I got NEXUS 8 years ago or so just so my partner and I didn't have to deal with cranky American custom agents who gave us a hard time because we were gay.
When I go to America, I'm pretty sure the machine makes me put my passport into the machine to scan it when I leave from YHZ. So I figured I always needed my passport.
I don't travel to the USA often, maybe once or possibly twice a year. I got NEXUS 8 years ago or so just so my partner and I didn't have to deal with cranky American custom agents who gave us a hard time because we were gay.
When I go to America, I'm pretty sure the machine makes me put my passport into the machine to scan it when I leave from YHZ. So I figured I always needed my passport.
Jan 12, 2017, 3:51 am
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Okay, question.
I don't travel to the USA often, maybe once or possibly twice a year. I got NEXUS 8 years ago or so just so my partner and I didn't have to deal with cranky American custom agents who gave us a hard time because we were gay.
When I go to America, I'm pretty sure the machine makes me put my passport into the machine to scan it when I leave from YHZ. So I figured I always needed my passport.
I don't travel to the USA often, maybe once or possibly twice a year. I got NEXUS 8 years ago or so just so my partner and I didn't have to deal with cranky American custom agents who gave us a hard time because we were gay.
When I go to America, I'm pretty sure the machine makes me put my passport into the machine to scan it when I leave from YHZ. So I figured I always needed my passport.
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Jan 12, 2017, 4:20 am
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When in doubt on any of this - have your handy TIMATIC printout ready and ask the agent to confirm. . .
Here is what I get.
Information as of 12JAN17 / 1116 UTC
National Canada (CA) /Embarkation USA (US)
Destination Canada (CA)
Canada (CA)
Passport required.
- Passports and other documents accepted for entry issued to
nationals of Canada must be valid on arrival.
- Warning: if departing from the USA (regardless of any
destination passport exemptions), a valid passport and/or
is required by the
US immigration authorities.
Passport Exemptions:
- Nationals of Canada with a NEXUS Card if residing in Canada
or USA embarking in USA or Canada and entering Canada from
the USA only.
Here is what I get.
Information as of 12JAN17 / 1116 UTC
National Canada (CA) /Embarkation USA (US)
Destination Canada (CA)
Canada (CA)
Passport required.
- Passports and other documents accepted for entry issued to
nationals of Canada must be valid on arrival.
- Warning: if departing from the USA (regardless of any
destination passport exemptions), a valid passport and/or
is required by the
US immigration authorities.
Passport Exemptions:
- Nationals of Canada with a NEXUS Card if residing in Canada
or USA embarking in USA or Canada and entering Canada from
the USA only.
Jan 12, 2017, 11:36 am
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Please stop providing factual information, as it's evident that 15-month old singular anecdotal experience carries more weight on FlyerTalk. Besides, possessing such facts may deny some members the opportunity for another airport confrontation and subsequent thread topic.
Jan 12, 2017, 12:48 pm
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If you expect a hassle at the airport, bring a printout and hand it to the airline staffer.
If you are a Canadian or U.S. citizen, and a NEXUS member, you may use your membership card as proof of identification and citizenship when entering Canada by land, air (when coming from the U.S.) or boat when using non-NEXUS lanes.
NEXUS members can use the automated kiosks located in the U.S. Preclearance area and the Canadian inspection services area at participating airports.
If you are a Canadian or U.S. citizen, and a NEXUS member, you may use your membership card as proof of identification and citizenship when entering Canada by land, air (when coming from the U.S.) or boat when using non-NEXUS lanes.
NEXUS members can use the automated kiosks located in the U.S. Preclearance area and the Canadian inspection services area at participating airports.
Jan 12, 2017, 2:29 pm
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Wow, I can't believe I just spent an half an hour reading all of these posts!
When I checked-in at BOS the other day the agent asked for my passport. I said "will NEXUS do?". Her response was that yes, it would, but she would have to enter the info manually, but she can just scan the passport, which is quicker and easier. Fine by me.
When I enter the require APIS info I use my passport info, but also list my "KTN". I am rightly or wrongly assuming that I need to entire my Nexus number in the KTN field in order to get "TSA Pre" on my boarding pass. I suspect that the AC agent will insist on seeing whatever document you entered into the APIS.
I always use passport in GE preclearance machines, since CBP always asks for it anyway when I give them my slip, and just Nexus in the machines when coming back to Canada.
When I checked-in at BOS the other day the agent asked for my passport. I said "will NEXUS do?". Her response was that yes, it would, but she would have to enter the info manually, but she can just scan the passport, which is quicker and easier. Fine by me.
When I enter the require APIS info I use my passport info, but also list my "KTN". I am rightly or wrongly assuming that I need to entire my Nexus number in the KTN field in order to get "TSA Pre" on my boarding pass. I suspect that the AC agent will insist on seeing whatever document you entered into the APIS.
I always use passport in GE preclearance machines, since CBP always asks for it anyway when I give them my slip, and just Nexus in the machines when coming back to Canada.