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RangerNS Jun 5, 2017 4:34 pm
The powertools are also building busted links for actually buying things. That really sucks.

24left Jun 5, 2017 4:44 pm
Originally Posted by BOSTravels (Post 28406977)
Dates: 10/20 - 10/27.
Well, I was right about holidays. The Goog says some of those dates are part of the High Holidays.

AC prices are $6300-8400 CAD

BOSTravels Jun 5, 2017 4:48 pm
Originally Posted by 24left (Post 28407229)
Well, I was right about holidays. The Goog says some of those dates are part of the High Holidays.

AC prices are $6300-8400 CAD
I don't think so. Google is wrong, AGAIN.
The only "holidays" during my dates is October 27, "Yom HaAliyah School Observance". Which is not even a national holiday, but a secondary day.

D582 Jun 5, 2017 4:54 pm
Originally Posted by BOSTravels (Post 28406899)
I have a similar issue. Attempting to book BOS-TLV r/t in business class. ITA Matrix is showing a fare for about $3000, but the AC website shows about double at $6000. :confused: This is going on for about a month now.
Originally Posted by BOSTravels (Post 28406977)
Dates: 10/20 - 10/27.
There is no Z class availability on those dates for BOS-TLV. It exists on the individual segments but not on the entire itinerary. ITA Matrix has a hard time dealing with this sometimes.

24left Jun 5, 2017 4:54 pm
Originally Posted by BOSTravels (Post 28407244)
I don't think so. Google is wrong, AGAIN.
The only "holidays" during my dates is October 27, "Yom HaAliyah School Observance". Which is not even a national holiday, but a secondary day.
I wasn't on Google, I was on the Air Canada site and the price for your dates was $8,394 CAD


Originally Posted by D582 (Post 28407263)
There is no Z class availability on those dates for BOS-TLV. It exists on the individual segments but not on the entire itinerary. ITA Matrix has a hard time dealing with this sometimes.
Thanks for that info.

24left Jun 5, 2017 4:58 pm
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And just looking at the AC YYZ-TLV direct flights on your dates

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BOSTravels Jun 5, 2017 5:01 pm
Originally Posted by D582 (Post 28407263)
There is no Z class availability on those dates for BOS-TLV. It exists on the individual segments but not on the entire itinerary. ITA Matrix has a hard time dealing with this sometimes.
Interesting.
I tried to book a multi-segment trip. Shows all "Z" fares until the end when the page crashes when I go to the final screen: "Call this and that number".

D582 Jun 5, 2017 5:08 pm
Originally Posted by BOSTravels (Post 28407286)
Interesting.
I tried to book a multi-segment trip. Shows all "Z" fares until the end when the page crashes when I go to the final screen: "Call this and that number".
The website will attempt to price the itinerary, but when it finally goes and creates the PNR, the segments come back as unconfirmed because the space doesn't exist on the combined itinerary.

Individual segments:
Code:
20OCT  FRI  BOS/EDT    YYZ/EDT‡0                           
 1AC  523 J9 C8 D8 Z6 P4 R2 BOSYYZ 1210 1355 E90 S 0 DCA /E   
          Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 G9 S9 T9 L9 A9 K0           

 20OCT  FRI  YYZ/EDT    TLV/‡7                               
 1AC  84 J9 C9 D9 Z9 P0 YYZTLV 1630 0955‡1 789 BM 0 X1 DCA /E 
          R0 O9 E3 N0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K0
Combined:
Code:
20OCT  FRI  BOS/EDT    TLV/‡7                               
 1AC  523 J9 C9 D8 Z0 P0 BOSYYZ 1210 1355  E90 S 0 DCA /E     
          R2 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 G9 S9 T9 L9 A0 K9         
 2AC  84 J9 C9 D8 Z0 P0    TLV 1630 0955‡1 789 BM 0 X1 DCA /E 
          R0 O9 E8 N0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T9 L9 K9
(As an aside, the critical factor is Z on the YYZ-TLV segment. The BOS-YYZ segment can be booked in D or C class on that fare).

BOSTravels Jun 5, 2017 5:10 pm
Why would the separate segments have "Z" but not the combined? :confused:

ABG Jun 5, 2017 7:11 pm
Originally Posted by BOSTravels (Post 28407318)
Why would the separate segments have "Z" but not the combined? :confused:
To enhance airline profits.

Lots of seats with LX and return on LH for your dates. A professional travel agent might be able to get AC to clear seats if you really want an AC experience

BOSTravels Jun 5, 2017 7:17 pm
Originally Posted by ABG (Post 28407755)
To enhance airline profits.

Lots of seats with LX and return on LH for your dates. A professional travel agent might be able to get AC to clear seats if you really want an AC experience
Since my dates are still 4+ months out, I have plenty time to consider my options. But definitely not going to pay $6+K.
But thanks for the insights so far.

hydrogen Jun 11, 2019 3:07 am
Anyone been having issues getting AC (reservations, website, etc.) to replicate ITA Matrix fares recently with non-bread and butter flights (international/multi-segment, codeshare, multiple connections/*A airlines, etc.)?

Can't seem to replicate what Matrix is giving and AC is quoting 25%+ higher than what Matrix is finding on my int'l J searches.

D582 Jun 11, 2019 4:49 am
Originally Posted by hydrogen (Post 31191052)
Anyone been having issues getting AC (reservations, website, etc.) to replicate ITA Matrix fares recently with non-bread and butter flights (international/multi-segment, codeshare, multiple connections/*A airlines, etc.)?

Can't seem to replicate what Matrix is giving and AC is quoting 25%+ higher than what Matrix is finding on my int'l J searches.
Is AC using the same booking classes on each segment? Matrix cannot properly handle Origin-Destination availability so often shows flights being available that are not.

hydrogen Jun 11, 2019 6:45 am
Originally Posted by D582 (Post 31191204)


Is AC using the same booking classes on each segment? Matrix cannot properly handle Origin-Destination availability so often shows flights being available that are not.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It might show P out and P return when AC shows P out and Z return, etc.
Is there another way then to reliably search for inventory with the same power as Matrix's advanced routing codes? I've always known AC's website to produce underwhelming results.

Stranger Jun 11, 2019 8:36 am
Originally Posted by hydrogen (Post 31191052)
Anyone been having issues getting AC (reservations, website, etc.) to replicate ITA Matrix fares recently with non-bread and butter flights (international/multi-segment, codeshare, multiple connections/*A airlines, etc.)?

Can't seem to replicate what Matrix is giving and AC is quoting 25%+ higher than what Matrix is finding on my int'l J searches.
Yes, sometimes. Last time, I phoned AC. The agent tried, did not succeed, even called the fare desk, and the conclusion was that Matrix was wrong. Which is known to happen. OTOH, with simpler itineraries mixing airlines, it usually works.


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