Originally Posted by iwillflytheworld
(Post 35270366)
Yes, in the extension box. I think the issue is that at least for the markets I'm looking at (Europe <-> Canada), the fare code does not end with the two letters indicating the fare brand. Is this some new development ?
Its less obvious (to me, anyway; apparently not recently documented) what the fare bucket/brand mapping is, though would take only a matter of time going down the list JCDZPRYBMUHQVWGSTLAKF to get what you want. And then the extension code would be something like F ..y-|..b-|..m-|..u-|..h-|..q-|..v- (at least, that is what I last searched for). |
Originally Posted by yeg2where
(Post 35221767)
Two options
YYC-SIN Depart Fir May 6, return May 11, routing out through FRA, return via LHR, both "alliance star-alliance". Makes sense in matrix but shows a 5.50 am departure for AC 848 from YYC on ac Same dates and destinations but via YVR and NRT gives results with flights arriving / departing at the same time: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...e4cda2cc17.png Haven't tried actually booking yet though, do you mind sharing if you were able to successfully book something like this? |
Originally Posted by ZenFlyer
(Post 35152611)
Also by way of datapoint rather than complaint, I'm running into a similar issue today as that reported by @RangerNS above. When I click on [+ Air Canada] I'm directed to a link that begins as follows: https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...ThirdParty=YES . . . . but then get nothing but a blank page. Never actually get to AC.com, not even the red plane. Neither page refresh nor clicking the link a second time help. But the same fare is bookable via other links (e.g. Orbitz, etc.).
I'm admittedly new to Powertools so I cannot completely rule out user error; however, I was able to successfully book a ticket earlier this week, so this seems like a new development. Update: The problem I experienced seems to linked to my complicated itinerary rather than any general problem with Powertools, which is now working fine for me. Many thanks to the kind FTer who diagnosed the issue. Was the issue due to the itinerary being too complex/too many legs? |
Originally Posted by pentiumvi
(Post 35276320)
Haven't used powertools in a while, tried to run a few searches today and had same issue that you mention. A page opens, but it remains blank, and doesn't try to load.
Was the issue due to the itinerary being too complex/too many legs? |
Originally Posted by pentiumvi
(Post 35275661)
I've been noticing this interesting issue too recently.
Haven't tried actually booking yet though, do you mind sharing if you were able to successfully book something like this? |
Trying to book a rather complicated itinerary (PIT-YYZ-YVR-SIN-KUL-NRT-YUL-YYZ-PIT). What Matrix is doing is adding an economy lowest fare to and from PIT with a premium economy fare for the rest of the trip. I can pull this up onto the AC website with power tools but not get to the seat selection screen, I fill in my details, say I don't want to buy any addons for the trip and then it errors out. I'm assuming what's happening is Matrix is creating an unbookable fare by combining the two types of tickets and I'll have to book them separately (and therefore lose connection protection). Or if I call in would there be any chance that because I have a specific error I'd be able to book this without paying a fee?
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Originally Posted by dinoscool3
(Post 36086061)
Or if I call in would there be any chance that because I have a specific error I'd be able to book this without paying a fee?
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Originally Posted by dinoscool3
(Post 36086061)
Trying to book a rather complicated itinerary (PIT-YYZ-YVR-SIN-KUL-NRT-YUL-YYZ-PIT). What Matrix is doing is adding an economy lowest fare to and from PIT with a premium economy fare for the rest of the trip. I can pull this up onto the AC website with power tools but not get to the seat selection screen, I fill in my details, say I don't want to buy any addons for the trip and then it errors out. I'm assuming what's happening is Matrix is creating an unbookable fare by combining the two types of tickets and I'll have to book them separately (and therefore lose connection protection). Or if I call in would there be any chance that because I have a specific error I'd be able to book this without paying a fee?
Ive tried a couple of things that have increased the viability of matrix itineraries. When you're searching, try to have each bound as one origin and one destination and let matrix create the connections. If you want to steer the routing through the routing controls, use f instead of carrier specificity and stipulate the fare basis as a faring code if you know what you're looking for. I've also started using EF to double check if availability actually exists. EF doesn't always pull it correctly for all airline combos and is limited for complex routings but it can make the process faster if you have some flexibility and an idea of what you want. Powertools can also create some links to AC that fail deeplink generation. Sometimes these can be saved by manually reformatting the URL. I've found this happens more commonly with mixed cabin itineraries. If the availability is actually there, you should be able to phone AC and book directly. In recent experience, this has been absolute torture because too many of the res agents aren't trained on how to manually construct routings or handle anything particularly complicated. I'm also not sure if the call center can actually book something where you are building a combination fare and it includes a non-AC fare basis. Small sample size, but, last time I tried to this, the call center couldn't ticket it even when, eventually, the website managed. |
Originally Posted by Deathray
(Post 36086198)
I've been wrestling with this a lot and I've come across one or two causes for the error you're describing. The most common cause for the error is that matrix does not validate married segment and O&D availability if you are searching as a multi-city. Certain types of routing requests can also cause it to pull availability on a segment basis even when it's not searched that way (I've found if I specify airlines for parts of a single bound, it can cause this). This means that it will pull availability that is ostensibly there but the itinerary fails a validation check when the website is processing it and it errors out. The second cause I've run into is when the AC website doesn't like ticketing on a particular carrier even when the rules permit it.
Ive tried a couple of things that have increased the viability of matrix itineraries. When you're searching, try to have each bound as one origin and one destination and let matrix create the connections. If you want to steer the routing through the routing controls, use f instead of carrier specificity and stipulate the fare basis as a faring code if you know what you're looking for. I've also started using EF to double check if availability actually exists. EF doesn't always pull it correctly for all airline combos and is limited for complex routings but it can make the process faster if you have some flexibility and an idea of what you want. Powertools can also create some links to AC that fail deeplink generation. Sometimes these can be saved by manually reformatting the URL. I've found this happens more commonly with mixed cabin itineraries. If the availability is actually there, you should be able to phone AC and book directly. In recent experience, this has been absolute torture because too many of the res agents aren't trained on how to manually construct routings or handle anything particularly complicated. I'm also not sure if the call center can actually book something where you are building a combination fare and it includes a non-AC fare basis. Small sample size, but, last time I tried to this, the call center couldn't ticket it even when, eventually, the website managed. If its a failure of the deeplink generation would that even allow me to load the page in the first place? I believe there is space because I can book it separately (one ticket PIT-YYZ-PIT, on YYZ-KUL-YYZ), for cheaper in fact, I'm just trying to get connection protection in YYZ. |
The deeplink failure comment wasn't for your case, I was noting it more for posterity.
When it generates onto AC, does it come up as 4 bounds: PIT-YYZ YYZ-KUL KUL-YYZ YYZ-PIT Or does it create more/different bounds than that with connections mixed in differently? If it is coming up as those four then the link generation is probably correct. If it's not, it might be worth messing with the URL structure to create those 4 bounds. I would also check the rules on your YYZ-KUL-YYZ fare to make sure end-on-ends are permitted. If not, then this wouldn't be bookable as one ticket. I'm not sure if matrix will validate for end-on-ends/side trip permissibility. |
Originally Posted by Deathray
(Post 36086243)
The deeplink failure comment wasn't for your case, I was noting it more for posterity.
When it generates onto AC, does it come up as 4 bounds: PIT-YYZ YYZ-KUL KUL-YYZ YYZ-PIT Or does it create more/different bounds than that with connections mixed in differently? If it is coming up as those four then the link generation is probably correct. If it's not, it might be worth messing with the URL structure to create those 4 bounds. I would also check the rules on your YYZ-KUL-YYZ fare to make sure end-on-ends are permitted. If not, then this wouldn't be bookable as one ticket. I'm not sure if matrix will validate for end-on-ends/side trip permissibility. When importing to AC it is imported as the follows: PIT-YYZ (Economy Lowest) YYZ-YVR (Economy Flexible) YVR-SIN (Premium Economy Lowest) SIN-KUL (Economy Lowest) KUL-YYZ (Premium Economy Flexible) YYZ-PIT (Economy Lowest) What am I looking to change in the link? The URL does seem to show the correct fare basis and fare code for each leg, is there something else I should be looking for? I did just double check the fare rules and end on end is permitted for YYZ-KUL-YYZ. I appreciate it! |
Originally Posted by dinoscool3
(Post 36086256)
Gotcha.
When importing to AC it is imported as the follows: PIT-YYZ (Economy Lowest) YYZ-YVR (Economy Flexible) YVR-SIN (Premium Economy Lowest) SIN-KUL (Economy Lowest) KUL-YYZ (Premium Economy Flexible) YYZ-PIT (Economy Lowest) What am I looking to change in the link? The URL does seem to show the correct fare basis and fare code for each leg, is there something else I should be looking for? I did just double check the fare rules and end on end is permitted for YYZ-KUL-YYZ. I appreciate it! If you want, feel free to PM me the link for the matrix fare page as well as the the powertool URL and I'll see if I can give it a look later tonight. |
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