Feeling even better now about not making super elite next year
Sep 17, 2016, 4:16 pm
#46
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: Only J via Peasant Points, 777HDPeasant or The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance and Narcissism.
Posts: 5,957
Smoking in the cockpit seems to be normal on China Eastern. As is denying it to the pax.
See:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...-crew-smoking/
See:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...-crew-smoking/
Its funny because I did a search on Baidu(Chinese Google) and the only stuff I could find was news from 2012 where a pax was kicked off the flight for smoking and strong backlash from the same year where there are rumors that China Eastern FAs allow First Class Pax to smoke.
Last edited by Jumper Jack; Sep 17, 2016 at 4:27 pm
Sep 17, 2016, 4:25 pm
#47
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: YVR
Programs: UA Premier Platinum
Posts: 3,759
I have never been Super Elite and do not care. I am not missing out on anything as I fly J class on my long hauls anyway. I even enjoy flying in the cheap seats on some of the Asian domestic short hauls because unlike AC, they still treat pax in the cheap seats with some respect and courtesy.
On top of that, the Asian LCCs often have far more frequency within their area of operations than the longhaul carriers, so if something goes belly-up you are getting on another flight in 3 hours not the next day.
Last edited by eigenvector; Sep 17, 2016 at 4:31 pm
Sep 17, 2016, 4:27 pm
#48
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2014
Programs: AC SE100K-1MM, NH, DL, AA, BA, Global Entry/Nexus, APEC..
Posts: 18,877
Well.. damn Now i know..
Its funny because I did a search on Baidu(Chinese Google) and the only stuff I could find was news from 2012 where a pax was kicked off the flight by a police for smoking and strong backlash from the same year where there are rumors that China Eastern FAs allow First Class Pax to smoke.
Its funny because I did a search on Baidu(Chinese Google) and the only stuff I could find was news from 2012 where a pax was kicked off the flight by a police for smoking and strong backlash from the same year where there are rumors that China Eastern FAs allow First Class Pax to smoke.
Sep 17, 2016, 4:29 pm
#49
Suspended
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE*2MM. SPG Plat life
Posts: 4,644
you need to segment AC's high flying customers out.
1. business owners who use their own dime : paying premiums to fly AC does not make sense so find whatever is cheaper. otherwise figure out your own intrinsic value for flying paying 30-40% higher on AC.
2. people who fly with other peoples money : why would i want to transit in the US or anywhere else, or fly on old planes when I can take a direct flight on AC. I forgot to mention 'expensive' cause i dont care.
1. business owners who use their own dime : paying premiums to fly AC does not make sense so find whatever is cheaper. otherwise figure out your own intrinsic value for flying paying 30-40% higher on AC.
2. people who fly with other peoples money : why would i want to transit in the US or anywhere else, or fly on old planes when I can take a direct flight on AC. I forgot to mention 'expensive' cause i dont care.
Sep 17, 2016, 4:31 pm
#50
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: Only J via Peasant Points, 777HDPeasant or The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance and Narcissism.
Posts: 5,957
Sep 17, 2016, 4:48 pm
#52
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: Only J via Peasant Points, 777HDPeasant or The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance and Narcissism.
Posts: 5,957
Another cheap and somewhat more or less secure way which I employed was setting up a cloud server with AliCloud in HK.. cost about 1 RMB a day with 3mbps used just by myself.
Sep 17, 2016, 4:56 pm
#53
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2014
Programs: AC SE100K-1MM, NH, DL, AA, BA, Global Entry/Nexus, APEC..
Posts: 18,877
Rumors are VPNs are getting cracked down soon as they who shall must not be named in China figured out the way to track and block it....
Another cheap and somewhat more or less secure way which I employed was setting up a cloud server with AliCloud in HK.. cost about 1 RMB a day with 3mbps used just by myself.
Another cheap and somewhat more or less secure way which I employed was setting up a cloud server with AliCloud in HK.. cost about 1 RMB a day with 3mbps used just by myself.
If I only had the time to be creative and have fun emailing all kinds of lunacy. Our friends in the PRC might not know what to do with the deluge. lol
Sep 17, 2016, 5:07 pm
#54
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: YUL
Programs: Skymiles Silver Medallion
Posts: 955
Perceptions of the quality of service of different airlines will always vary depending on individual experience.
Air Canada doesn't compete on offering a premium product at a premium price. If anything, that's the territory of the Gulf State airlines and a handful of other select ones that encourage people who can afford it to pay more for a truly superior experience.
Other than that, AC's J and Y products are either better or worse than its mainline competitors depending on the day, the aircraft chosen, your individual experience, and a host of other features that are not really part of the sales pitch and cannot be guaranteed. And it knows -- as has been said very often on this forum -- that price is the primary determinant for MOST flyers.
Being outside the hamster wheel of chasing / earning status frees you up to make decisions based on price, quality or other intangibles. It also frees you up to try different airlines and make up your own mind about the experience.
Air Canada doesn't compete on offering a premium product at a premium price. If anything, that's the territory of the Gulf State airlines and a handful of other select ones that encourage people who can afford it to pay more for a truly superior experience.
Other than that, AC's J and Y products are either better or worse than its mainline competitors depending on the day, the aircraft chosen, your individual experience, and a host of other features that are not really part of the sales pitch and cannot be guaranteed. And it knows -- as has been said very often on this forum -- that price is the primary determinant for MOST flyers.
Being outside the hamster wheel of chasing / earning status frees you up to make decisions based on price, quality or other intangibles. It also frees you up to try different airlines and make up your own mind about the experience.
Sep 17, 2016, 5:17 pm
#55
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: West
Posts: 3,357
The above mostly represents my view as well. Heavy emphasis on personal experience but mostly on expectations. There was a thread sometime ago, or embedded in one, the preference of carries for each class and destinations. It would be great to have that updated by the frequent flyers continuously. Some of the endless arguments would disappear and the biases presented for comparisons. Sometimes discrimination is good, ie showing one's discriminating preference of a carrier.
Sep 17, 2016, 5:20 pm
#56
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: YUL
Programs: Skymiles Silver Medallion
Posts: 955
There was a thread sometime ago, or embedded in one, the preference of carries for each class and destinations. It would be great to have that updated by the frequent flyers continuously. Some of the endless arguments would disappear and the biases presented for comparisons.
Sep 17, 2016, 5:29 pm
#57
Join Date: May 2013
Location: west coast best coast
Programs: TINDER GOLD, STARBUCKS GOLD, COSTCO EXECUTIVE!!
Posts: 3,989
I do a lot of Dom flying in China and the only way Chinese airlines treat the pax better in the cheap seat than AC is that they serve food(bad), but with less leg room. Flying Dom in Canada on AC is way better than flying Dom in China on any airline. Most airport lougnes in china(dom flights) are a total joke.
These ratings are bought.
Sep 17, 2016, 5:35 pm
#58
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2014
Programs: AC SE100K-1MM, NH, DL, AA, BA, Global Entry/Nexus, APEC..
Posts: 18,877
keitherson beat me to the reply. There are some posts in other threads relating to the claims airlines make about their Skytrax rankings. Also, flyers post quite the collection of rants or compliments that could easily make it another type of social media vent-fest.
Sep 17, 2016, 5:35 pm
#59
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: YUL
Programs: Skymiles Silver Medallion
Posts: 955
Sep 17, 2016, 5:36 pm
#60
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2014
Programs: AC SE100K-1MM, NH, DL, AA, BA, Global Entry/Nexus, APEC..
Posts: 18,877