mapleg

For TPAC I would pay max 50% more than Tango. No more.

Why would I pay $2800 or so for a PE seat when for $350 more than that I could be seated in J?

haolaowai_org

That raises a good point. If it's $2800 PE or $3200 J, I'd take J. So maybe I shouldn't be aiming for PE (unless there's a reason to?)

So I guess the better question is...

1) What price differential would you pay for Tango -> J?
2) What's the typical price differential on offer for TPAC?

mapleg

Just do a couple dummy booking for the time period you want to travel.

superangrypenguin

I think PY is absolutely worth it. I was looking at YYZ HND the other day. PY was about the same as Flex.

Why would I not book PY? More AQM, more AP miles, better/tolerable product etc. I look at PY as J on a narrowbody. If I need to go there, at this very moment in my life, that is the COS I would book in.

YEG_SE4Life

If you look at the size of the PY cabin VS the size of the Y cabin, that will basically tell you what percentage of the people believe that PY is worth the extra cash.

YYT82

For less than the price you quoted, I'd buy BR B fare and then use *A upgrade into J. No way I would fly AC TPAC unless the price is really attractive.

Jumper Jack

Yeah I happen to agree. BR was selling YYZ-PVG with upgradeable fares for $1700 R/T, I took AC because of time constraints. But TPE-HKG should give you plenty of options. ^

24left

Ah, but then you have the vast differences of how each of us interprets the phrase "attractive price".

Jumper Jack

Anywhere sub 3600 R/T seems to be good for YYZ-PVG

24left

My comment was more philosophical-psychological. I wrote it the way I did so as not to have more examples of what a good price to wherever might be.

eigenvector

But Flex is a fallacious comparison, a better question is "why would anyone book Flex?" No one booking weeks out buys Flex YYZ HND unless they are an SE looking to upgrade or a low tier FF chasing a higher status. You buy Flex to sit in J. That is the sole purpose of the product and therefore it is not relevant to non SEs on international routes any more than non status members care about gold or club rooms at hotels. Flex should never be compared to fares where the pax intends to sit in the purchased cabin.

Although, according to the logic of some people on here, a person's moral character is determined primarily by refusing to ever fly the cheapest fare, so I suppose I should have offered to pay double for the croissant I just had to show I'm no cheapskate.

superangrypenguin

The flight that I was looking at did not have Tango.

I'll be blunt and I don't want to be rude about this, but it truly is representative of my views on this. If I'm looking at a Tango fare, I would not fly where I need to get to. I really want to be respectful about this, but it really is how I feel. My policy is, fly J or don't. How I get to J is a different story, however recent circumstances have me looking at PY. Would I pull the trigger? I'm not 100% sure, but I was looking, that is for sure.

This is simply reflective of my travel policy, that's all.

mapleg

Forgetting for the fact that not every passenger has the ability to upgrade.

And I think $3150 for J in AC for a direct YYZ-Tokyo flight is a reasonable price. Saves the extras hours of flying into TPE and then further time on a connection and ongoing flight.

24left

Did it have chocolate inside? If yes, definitely worth the extra $$

I imagine the head-scratching should anyone in a revenue management role at any company listen/read explanations as to why people purchase one version of a product that tastes and looks exactly like another, except for the difference in cost.

I'm pretty sure AC keeps Flex fares for a few reasons. Maybe they even have a small amount of data of who the pax are and whether they do so to get the chance to lotto up. Or some pax are employer-mandated to purchase only certain fare categories.

Humans make decisions based on some combination of logic and emotion. Not sure how Air Canada rates in that area.

The Lev

So you are saying that TK's, NZ (or even AC's) PE product is vastly inferior to LH European J where you get the same seat as Y but with the middle seat blocked?