International YQ Wavier
Feb 7, 2016, 10:54 pm
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you can also consider what CC did at this thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...it-stupid.html
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AC do sometimes (or most of the time on popular routes, I think) zero out R leading to the flight date. So, for me to see R=0 on YVR-YYZ for all 787/777 flights at T-5 are very normal IMO.
For example, for Easter Friday (Mar 25), I see 7 IKK J YVR-YYZ, including 5 of them are operate on 777.
Last edited by alc; Feb 7, 2016 at 11:00 pm Reason: forgot to answer your question
Feb 7, 2016, 11:31 pm
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Know your pricing!
I booked three separate bookings all in J for this year just before the latest AP devaluation and I thought the pricing was high. I checked my three separate bookings and the July European booking I was refunded X 3 the YQ. The Canadian booking the YQ was replaced with Carrier Surcharge so I was happy that I was screwed by a new charge and not the fuel surcharge and the third booking to the US was fine.
Living in Alberta with oil at records low, I always laugh when I pay that fuel charge with Air Canada, Canada Post, Park & Fly etc, yup with record unemployment due to low oil prices, that fuel surcharge is sure valid
I booked three separate bookings all in J for this year just before the latest AP devaluation and I thought the pricing was high. I checked my three separate bookings and the July European booking I was refunded X 3 the YQ. The Canadian booking the YQ was replaced with Carrier Surcharge so I was happy that I was screwed by a new charge and not the fuel surcharge and the third booking to the US was fine.
Living in Alberta with oil at records low, I always laugh when I pay that fuel charge with Air Canada, Canada Post, Park & Fly etc, yup with record unemployment due to low oil prices, that fuel surcharge is sure valid
Feb 7, 2016, 11:37 pm
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Know your pricing!
I booked three separate bookings all in J for this year just before the latest AP devaluation and I thought the pricing was high. I checked my three separate bookings and the July European booking I was refunded X 3 the YQ. The Canadian booking the YQ was replaced with Carrier Surcharge so I was happy that I was screwed by a new charge and not the fuel surcharge and the third booking to the US was fine.
Living in Alberta with oil at records low, I always laugh when I pay that fuel charge with Air Canada, Canada Post, Park & Fly etc, yup with record unemployment due to low oil prices, that fuel surcharge is sure valid
I booked three separate bookings all in J for this year just before the latest AP devaluation and I thought the pricing was high. I checked my three separate bookings and the July European booking I was refunded X 3 the YQ. The Canadian booking the YQ was replaced with Carrier Surcharge so I was happy that I was screwed by a new charge and not the fuel surcharge and the third booking to the US was fine.
Living in Alberta with oil at records low, I always laugh when I pay that fuel charge with Air Canada, Canada Post, Park & Fly etc, yup with record unemployment due to low oil prices, that fuel surcharge is sure valid
It got renamed Carrier Surcharge when high fuel prices could no longer justify the name. Someone somewhere recently said that it's like floating money, where the airline can still claim to have low fares and that the "surcharge" is not their fault, but brings in significant coin nonetheless.
Since no one is forcing AC to do an audit of where exactly the $$$ for the surcharge goes, we either guess or swallow.
If you really have some free time, the FT archives are a blast from the past. I found a similar discussion from 6 years ago. Almost identical comments. I think they call that progress.
Feb 8, 2016, 12:08 am
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Fuel surcharges were never, ever, ever directly linked to the increased cost of fuel on a given route or ticket. They were always a form of deceptive marketing designed to keep customers thinking that the price of a service had remained relatively steady when the cost of a major input had risen significantly, but ultimately were just about increasing airlines' revenues.
After governments finally stepped in and forced airlines to change to deceitful way in which they advertised airfares to an all-in approach (at least in Canada/US), fuel surcharges lost a lot of relevance. AC could set base fares of $1 and then add a fuel surcharge, pilot surcharge, seatbelt surcharge, FA surcharge, etc to get to whatever all-in price it wanted and no one could stop them.
The only place they really matter now is on award tickets (for those airlines that charge them) and to those who have coupons (e.g. eMCOs) or get paid commission (e.g. TAs) on the value of base fares only.
It's still a disingenuous practice, but I believe it now flies under the radar enough that the Canadian government is unlikely to do anything about it.
After governments finally stepped in and forced airlines to change to deceitful way in which they advertised airfares to an all-in approach (at least in Canada/US), fuel surcharges lost a lot of relevance. AC could set base fares of $1 and then add a fuel surcharge, pilot surcharge, seatbelt surcharge, FA surcharge, etc to get to whatever all-in price it wanted and no one could stop them.
The only place they really matter now is on award tickets (for those airlines that charge them) and to those who have coupons (e.g. eMCOs) or get paid commission (e.g. TAs) on the value of base fares only.
It's still a disingenuous practice, but I believe it now flies under the radar enough that the Canadian government is unlikely to do anything about it.
Feb 8, 2016, 12:24 am
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Fuel surcharges were never, ever, ever directly linked to the increased cost of fuel on a given route or ticket. They were always a form of deceptive marketing designed to keep customers thinking that the price of a service had remained relatively steady when the cost of a major input had risen significantly, but ultimately were just about increasing airlines' revenues.
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It's still a disingenuous practice, but I believe it now flies under the radar enough that the Canadian government is unlikely to do anything about it.
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It's still a disingenuous practice, but I believe it now flies under the radar enough that the Canadian government is unlikely to do anything about it.
Feb 8, 2016, 12:28 am
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Feb 8, 2016, 8:12 am
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Feb 8, 2016, 11:55 am
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So in a way what IKK does is for example being a E35K I dont see YYZ-YVR direct J award at 25000 points for next friday. But being a SE's immediate family(I am under 24 so I guess I can still be counted as "dependent children" as long as there is 1 J seat unsold I have access to it, even lets say very last minute(AKA The day before the departure)
Okay, not trying to beat a dead horse. So if R=0 on all direct flights, which is what I derive from lets say YVR-YYZ next friday for J (Quick Aeroplan search). Being SE would have no effect to this situation(Well , I guess unless you are willing to pay double by using a priority reward for it)
Also what about PE,I suppose it would be booked in to PE Lowest category through IKK(or if IKK even applies to that cabin)
Also what about PE,I suppose it would be booked in to PE Lowest category through IKK(or if IKK even applies to that cabin)
There is no PY IKK (for now?). I think they're a little screwed because they ran out of letters. Upgrades and Aeroplan bookings both require N space, which is the lowest revenue fare class.
Feb 8, 2016, 1:57 pm
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As adam.smith mentioned, the immediate family restriction is only for international J IKK. Domestic J and all Y do not have that restriction.
IKK is "priority rewards". SEs do not pay double (that's the whole benefit) for priority. But if there's no R space, there's no priority.
There is no PY IKK (for now?). I think they're a little screwed because they ran out of letters. Upgrades and Aeroplan bookings both require N space, which is the lowest revenue fare class.
IKK is "priority rewards". SEs do not pay double (that's the whole benefit) for priority. But if there's no R space, there's no priority.
There is no PY IKK (for now?). I think they're a little screwed because they ran out of letters. Upgrades and Aeroplan bookings both require N space, which is the lowest revenue fare class.
Will AC invent a new alphabet? Or are they doing this after they get their new site up (again)?
