Mauricio23

Apparently, for AC, the chicken came before the egg!

lcohen999

Comparing two new PE services, I am going to be trying out SQ's PE from SIN-AKL on Saturday.

Same 2-4-2 layout of the AC 777.

That said, from a food point of view, I have already booked the cook, which does afford some idea of what to expect.

I am very curious how they will compare for a long haul flight, will report back if people want to know

24left

That would be great.

As those who saw my SQ J meals photos know, I did Book the Cook and each of the meals on each of my flights was outstanding.

I cannot understand why they can manage the quality and choice and pre-order and AC cannot. But we've debated that one to the end.

These are the cities with links to menus for Premium Economy and just one e.g. below - outbound from SIN


I wonder why AC can't do a test from one market.

http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/ca...eco-singapore/

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24left

delete dup

Jumper Jack

It takes real skills to be the second worst airline in NA. (So close to the gold medal AC, I know you can do it next year!)
Why don't they do it? Simple.
Incremental Revenue Gained <= Additional Cost Required
or....the excel Ben Smith likes to run
Set A1 to Non-J Passenger Reaction, =IF(A1="Happier","No","Yes")

AC have made it pretty clear that they dont really care unless you are in J.

lcohen999

I had one of the best Hamburgers I have ever eaten, SIN-PVG a few years back in SQ J.

The menu for PE isn't as (I'm not sure the right word) 'amazing' as J but that is to be expected.

The fact that I can choose and I have a reasonable expectation of tastiness is something I am looking forward to

24left

Here was my SQ from the other thread. Awesome

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/26545154-post121.html

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canadiancow

I suspect a lot of it has to do with the fact that SQ has one hub.

You're all talking about flights leaving SIN.

Have you ever tried BTC on a flight going to SIN? I had roughly 8 options for LAX-NRT-SIN in F. Not the 50 you get leaving SIN. None of them looked particularly appealing. The lobster was pretty decent though. But it was not "amazing".

I suppose it's similar to how Hawksworth is only available on flights leaving certain airports in Canada, and never in the other direction.

24left

SQ meals out of HKG were fantastic and there was a long list of choices.

And yes, you and I discussed the limited choices out of LAX etc.

The points I think we are trying to make is that SQ and others offer the service, the meals are generally excellent, there is more choice than you get out of YYZ, YVR or YUL on TATL/TPACs, and you can pre-order.

I have not looked into which other airlines offer BTC for PE cabins, but AC also chooses to give a J dinner (main) meal in PE and then a slice of banana bread and yogurt for breakfast on TATL. I am not the only one who thinks that a Y breakfast diminishes the word "Premium" in Premium Economy.

Anyway, since AC is filling the PE seats without having to improve that part of the "user experience", my opinion does not matter.

whyfseeguy

That strategy worked for AC because AC is making economy class Y- with the HD. If you want a decent legroom and comfort in a TATL/TPAC flight, it is either PY or J, or fly someone else.

canadiancow

Well, those two are somewhat tied together.

If you don't preorder, there is not more choice than you can get out of YYZ, YVR, or YUL

DrunkCargo

I'm not convinced of this.

Using ac.com (too cheap to pay for ef)
9PY YVR-SYD tonight
9PY YVR-HKD tomorrow
5PY YYZ-NRT tomorrow
7PY YVR-NRT tomorrow
too lazy to check more...

For whatever reason ac.com doesn't show premium economy for YYZ-LHR or YVR-LHR I'll assume related to inconsistent dreamcabin+PY?

Also the tacky ads at Union station in Toronto and at Burrard station in Vancouver for PY kinda makes me think they're trying to make this work. I love how all the PY seats were fully reclined for the photo and all the goodies in the mini-amenity kit spread out. =)

24left

So......a couple of things

AC 7 YVR-HKG May 20
J8 C8 D8 Z7 P6 R0 O9 E9 N9 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 G9 S9 T9 L2 A0 K0

AC 1 YYZ-NRT May 20
J3 C3 D3 Z2 P1 R0 O5 E5 N4 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 G7 S6 T2 L0 A0 K0

AC 3 YVR-NRT May 20
J3 C3 D3 Z0 P0 R2 O6 E5 N5 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 G9 S9 T9 L9 A7 K5


AC 854 YVR-LHR May 20 does show on ac.com.
Also,
J3 C3 D3 Z2 P0 R0 O2 E1 N0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 H9 Q9 V9 W9 S9 T0 L0 K0


And since you mentioned ads, this was in the April issue of enRoute
You can judge
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Jumper Jack

This is AC'own doing, they try sell PY at 3-4 times tango and this is what they get.

Also no sane person would redeem PY on AE when J is available.

AC is right, a little is a lot, a lot more $$$ for very little.

whyfseeguy

With AC removing the "little things" started on May 1 (no glass ware, no table linens) on PY, just wondering how many "little things" are left and further "enhanced" before PY becomes Y in service level! I am mostly a leisure TPAC flyer, seriously considering going to BR now.