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Northern Canuck Sep 25, 2015 9:27 am

BMO World Elite is looking better and better.

FlyerTalker683455 Sep 25, 2015 9:28 am

North Korea?
 
Asia 1

China, Hong Kong, Japan, Macau, North Korea, Singapore*, South Korea, Thailand*, Taiwan, Vietnam*.

* As of December 15, 2015, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam will be part of the travel zone Asia 2.

joeags Sep 25, 2015 9:33 am

Actually, looking at it there's a few changes from North America in business class:

Short-haul: 25K -> 30K
Southern South America - 95K -> 110K
Europe 1 - 90K -> 110K
Europe 2 - 105K -> 115K

CZAMFlyer Sep 25, 2015 9:38 am

My 2013 decision to stop pursuing status and points is looking better every day.

jerryhung Sep 25, 2015 9:38 am

Ben's post on this

Aeroplan Award Chart Devaluation As Of December 15, 2015 - One Mile at a Time
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ember-15-2015/

So what are the changes we’re seeing for travel to/from North America?

The cost of shorthaul awards within North America is increasing:
Business class is increasing from 25,000 miles to 30,000 miles roundtrip
The cost of awards between North America and Europe 1 is increasing:
Business class is increasing from 90,000 miles to 110,000 miles roundtrip
First class is increasing from 125,000 miles to 140,000 miles roundtrip
The cost of awards between North America and Europe 2 is increasing:
Business class is increasing from 105,000 miles to 115,000 miles roundtrip
First class is increasing from 145,000 miles to 160,000 miles roundtrip
The cost of awards between North America and Southern South America is increasing:
Business class is increasing from 95,000 miles to 110,000 miles roundtrip
First class is increasing from 135,000 miles to 140,000 miles roundtrip
The cost of awards between North America and Australia is increasing:
Economy class is increasing from 80,000 miles to 90,000 miles roundtrip

jerryhung Sep 25, 2015 9:40 am

btw, for some reason I can't load the PDF directly either
but I can Save it and open later no problem, people can try that

grandgourmand Sep 25, 2015 9:41 am


Originally Posted by Allvest (Post 25477228)
Asia 1

China, Hong Kong, Japan, Macau, North Korea, Singapore*, South Korea, Thailand*, Taiwan, Vietnam*.

* As of December 15, 2015, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam will be part of the travel zone Asia 2.

Air China flies there. And you can actually book on Aeroplan. Too bad about the intra-Asia J devaluation :p

Guava Sep 25, 2015 9:42 am


Originally Posted by Bonaventure (Post 25476882)
Flights intra-Asia in premium cabins are very expensive, so while it's not a great change, it's still an acceptable/mediocre retail CPM.

Oh? Intra-Asia award using AS miles, which also has a Canadian credit card by MBNA, on Cathay J starts at 22,500 one way and 27,500 for F without any fuel surcharge. You can fly for example, HND-HKG-BKK/SIN on CX F for only 27,500 bookable as one-way. If you use Aeroplan miles, you have to book roundtrip and Aeroplan charges YQ on either TG or NH within Asia provided the scarce F award seat is even available. CX has a ton of F award availability within Asia.

Keep in mind you can simply get AS miles by applying for a Canadian credit card and spending in $C whereas Aeroplan gutting the Intra-Asia award to such unreasonable level will cause informed customers to reconsider their commitment to Aeroplan.

All things considered, if intra-Asia award is a big deal to you, dump your Aeroplan credit cards and get a MBNA Alaska Air MasterCard and/or SPG AMEX.

jarusoba Sep 25, 2015 9:43 am

The website is still not allowing me to book one-way intra-Europe or one-way intra-Asia...

grandgourmand Sep 25, 2015 9:44 am


Originally Posted by jarusoba (Post 25477318)
The website is still not allowing me to book one-way intra-Europe or one-way intra-Asia...

you missed the part where it says changes effective Dec. 15.

jerryhung Sep 25, 2015 9:49 am


Originally Posted by jarusoba (Post 25477318)
The website is still not allowing me to book one-way intra-Europe or one-way intra-Asia...

https://www4.aeroplan.com/whats_new/...xxx_2015_09_30

Revised mileage levels
Effective December 15, 2015, we will be implementing some changes to the mileage levels required for flight rewards. Similar to the current one-way flight rewards departing from North America, we will be introducing one-way Fixed Mileage Flight Rewards at just 50% of the roundtrip miles required for flights between international destinations. For details consult the Reclassified Travel Zones chart.

flybit Sep 25, 2015 9:52 am


Originally Posted by joeags (Post 25477264)
Actually, looking at it there's a few changes from North America in business class:

Short-haul: 25K -> 30K
Southern South America - 95K -> 110K
Europe 1 - 90K -> 110K
Europe 2 - 105K -> 115K

so glad I dumped AC, and these cuts are just the beginning. Penguins cant fly :)

Guava Sep 25, 2015 9:54 am


Originally Posted by Jasper2009 (Post 25476976)
Definitely not happy!:td:

(though as others as mentioned, it could have been even worse)

How could this be any worse? 1 million miles to fly to Europe? If you look at the proposed new chart, ex-North America, all the changes are major increases in cost without a single decrease anywhere. How many people are going to care about a decrease from Africa to Australia, seriously? Aeroplan is based in Canada / North America, not Africa. It is doubtful there are many bookings for 290K miles out of Africa to down under to begin with and must fly back to Africa.

10 years later, the Aeroplan crowd is still the same sheep I remember. Easy to please and appease, no wonder Aeroplan can afford these ridiculous inflation at such amazing pace every other year.

crimsona Sep 25, 2015 9:57 am

Geographically it does make more sense now, and the Europe devaluation was less than I expected, but that intra Asia 1 devaluation is steep...wow

Minor price increases on mini rtw unless you use HKG as the destination, but based on new rules might as well use Perth as turnaround

Edit: actually, India and the Maldives might be better

mahoogalah Sep 25, 2015 9:59 am

As a point of clarification -

Do these changes only to come into play based on your date of booking rather than your flight dates? i.e. if I booked a flight today for dates after December 15, 2015, I assume the current mileage levels apply?

Thanks


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