Air Canada expanding its service to Copenhagen
May 5, 2015, 8:03 pm
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CPH is an excellent choice for Europe Connection compare to other so-called "major hubs" like LHR or FRA. Flew several times between CPH and YYZ, the airport shopping area like Yorkdale or Sherway Gardens in Toronto. However the price is bit high (25% VAT!!??) Good to hear AC had add one more flight to CPH. Nevertheless, the SAS ground crew handling AC flight and the SAS lounge are kinda disappointed in my personal experience.
May 5, 2015, 9:02 pm
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Me too, I'm rather surprised actually! 
I can't speak to that directly, but I would invite you to listen to our analyst calls/webcasts when we announce our quarterly results. You can find the link here: https://www.aircanada.com/en/about/investor/
I can't speak to that directly, but I would invite you to listen to our analyst calls/webcasts when we announce our quarterly results. You can find the link here: https://www.aircanada.com/en/about/investor/
May 5, 2015, 10:42 pm
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What are the trade numbers for the Öresund area vs. the Stockholm area?
Canadian companies working with tech companies in the Lund-Malmö area want CPH flights, not ARN flights. For companies in the Gothenburg area, CPH flights work just as well as ARN flights.
Why would AC offer both ARN and CPH flights when CPH flights serve major Swedish areas better than ARN flights would?
Canadian companies working with tech companies in the Lund-Malmö area want CPH flights, not ARN flights. For companies in the Gothenburg area, CPH flights work just as well as ARN flights.
Why would AC offer both ARN and CPH flights when CPH flights serve major Swedish areas better than ARN flights would?
May 6, 2015, 12:22 am
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.....Our schedule, network, natural geographic position (e.g. flying from a US city to Asia usually requires one to fly over YYZ or YVR anyway, and if you're making a connection YYZ/YVR are much more pleasant airports through which to connect than JFK or ORD or SFO), etc., all lends credence to our growth plans - which you can see is targeting international (vs regional) expansion and more sixth freedom traffic. Over the past five or six years, our new routes have seen roughly a 90% success (vs 50% about a decade ago), and many (such as CPH) are seeing added capacity YoY....
This is actually a very interesting post from Ben. Obviously TLV is not Asia, but I noticed an increase of pax from the U.S. on those flights back in late 2012. I had posted once in another thread that I had asked some of them why they were flying AC via YYZ to TLV. (These particular pax conversations were on more than one flight and they indicated they had originated in LAX or SFO and were traveling to TLV for tech business/conferences)
The answers why AC via YYZ were:
1. They liked the service
2. More than one indicated they refuse to go through any New York area airports
3. If they were UA FFs, AC had an advantage over LY
4. LY was not always available on some of their travel dates.
5. On the return to Canada (and just as with my AC 4 flights for eg.), U.S. Customs cards are handed out onboard which also makes the connection process easier.
Yes, I've already pointed out that these onboard conversations were a small sample size, but it still provided me with some interesting insight.
May 6, 2015, 12:30 am
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Funny guy.
Ben had mentioned Asia in his post. As I've flown to TLV on 23 return trips on more than one carrier, I was just posting my observations.
I've also had some interesting conversations recently with SEA-based pax who were on my flights to NRT, and they certainly have direct options available.
Ben had mentioned Asia in his post. As I've flown to TLV on 23 return trips on more than one carrier, I was just posting my observations.
I've also had some interesting conversations recently with SEA-based pax who were on my flights to NRT, and they certainly have direct options available.
May 6, 2015, 6:34 am
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What are the trade numbers for the Öresund area vs. the Stockholm area?
Canadian companies working with tech companies in the Lund-Malmö area want CPH flights, not ARN flights. For companies in the Gothenburg area, CPH flights work just as well as ARN flights.
Why would AC offer both ARN and CPH flights when CPH flights serve major Swedish areas better than ARN flights would?
Canadian companies working with tech companies in the Lund-Malmö area want CPH flights, not ARN flights. For companies in the Gothenburg area, CPH flights work just as well as ARN flights.
Why would AC offer both ARN and CPH flights when CPH flights serve major Swedish areas better than ARN flights would?
However, there are far more tech companies in and around Stockholm than there are in Copenhagen or Malmö.
Reality is, they are not doing it, so I will drop it. It just seems to me that AC is doing a "me too" routing to CPH that isn't compelling on an O&D or connecting hub basis (CPH is a better hub but not much better) ... and are missing an interesting chance to pick up a lot of ARN traffic out of the U.S., on the model Ben L laid out above
May 6, 2015, 7:36 am
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No idea but this is a fair point.
However, there are far more tech companies in and around Stockholm than there are in Copenhagen or Malmö.
Reality is, they are not doing it, so I will drop it. It just seems to me that AC is doing a "me too" routing to CPH that isn't compelling on an O&D or connecting hub basis (CPH is a better hub but not much better) ... and are missing an interesting chance to pick up a lot of ARN traffic out of the U.S., on the model Ben L laid out above
However, there are far more tech companies in and around Stockholm than there are in Copenhagen or Malmö.
Reality is, they are not doing it, so I will drop it. It just seems to me that AC is doing a "me too" routing to CPH that isn't compelling on an O&D or connecting hub basis (CPH is a better hub but not much better) ... and are missing an interesting chance to pick up a lot of ARN traffic out of the U.S., on the model Ben L laid out above
There's probably a market for ARN flights in the summer (maybe more for Swedes going to Canada than vice versa), but probably not daily. For winter flights, it makes more sense to increase the CPH frequency than having a few flights to CPH and a few flights to ARN.
May 6, 2015, 8:02 am
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While I can't speak to CPH vs ARN in particular, I will say that we have a Network Planning team dedicated to doing just this (in fact, this is what ac-YUL does) - evaluating new routes, capacity optimisation, etc. I can tell you that if we saw an opportunity in ARN we would pursue it.
May 6, 2015, 8:17 am
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"Fly North American" Star Alliance passengers in the US and Canada already have the UA EWR-ARN flight, so an AC flight to ARN would have to compete against that.
There's probably a market for ARN flights in the summer (maybe more for Swedes going to Canada than vice versa), but probably not daily. For winter flights, it makes more sense to increase the CPH frequency than having a few flights to CPH and a few flights to ARN.
There's probably a market for ARN flights in the summer (maybe more for Swedes going to Canada than vice versa), but probably not daily. For winter flights, it makes more sense to increase the CPH frequency than having a few flights to CPH and a few flights to ARN.
Re the EWR-ARN UA flight, that is a 9 hour flight on a 757, I have done it in coach twice, I'd sooner saw my arm off with a penknife than do that one again. The better option is an SK A340 that goes out of ORD 3-4 times a week.
While I can't speak to CPH vs ARN in particular, I will say that we have a Network Planning team dedicated to doing just this (in fact, this is what ac-YUL does) - evaluating new routes, capacity optimisation, etc. I can tell you that if we saw an opportunity in ARN we would pursue it.
I would enjoy getting more visibility on network planning somehow (I get why this has to be kept mostly confidential). If I were 21 years old again, I would try to get into this - these mass optimization analyses are fascinating.
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May 6, 2015, 11:47 am
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As of right now I'm trying to see if I can connect via ORD, IAD or EWR on SAS instead.
May 6, 2015, 1:23 pm
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Not convinced. CPH appears to be the SK main hub, not ARN. Plus, ARN is further away. Most of Scandinavia is well served from CPH.
Anyway, looking at my patterns and final destinations, I have travelled to CPH once, BGO twice, OSL twice and GOT twice. Never to ARN... At least as a final destination. I once connected, going I think from OSL (but maybe GOT) to CDG.
(Apart from our last trip to BGO, this was all before AC started CPH though.)
Anyway, looking at my patterns and final destinations, I have travelled to CPH once, BGO twice, OSL twice and GOT twice. Never to ARN... At least as a final destination. I once connected, going I think from OSL (but maybe GOT) to CDG.
(Apart from our last trip to BGO, this was all before AC started CPH though.)
May 6, 2015, 4:01 pm
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Unless you know for sure that the SK aircraft will have the new business cabin (all A330 aircraft should have it by that time), the AC pods would be more comfortable than the SK seats.
May 6, 2015, 4:56 pm
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I am specifically aiming for routes served by A330, and with the upgraded J class seats. ^
May 6, 2015, 7:35 pm
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