Air Canada's aging 767-300's
Jan 28, 2015, 6:05 pm
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This and dozens of other AC-specific issues have been discussed to death, generally as they transpired, on other popular industry forums that do count airline employees among their members. winnipegrev may be an AC employee, or may simply have been reading the forums for several years and retained what he/she learned. I'm the furthest person from an AC insider and I recalled the same thing about the 767 interiors from my own readings. The topics were certainly varied and lively as AC lurched from crisis to crisis from the CP takeover point up to their present day rosier outlook.
Jan 28, 2015, 8:42 pm
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I was surprised to see the pods today YYZ to YUL, and was even more shocked to see that they had the LED overhead lighting feature
The lavs were tiny, and the hygiene is very poor. You have to hold down the cold/hot water WHILE washing your hands? That doesn't seem very bright to me (hygiene wise).
Why didn't they update the bins when they were refurbishing the aircraft anyways? (and why retrofit for LEDs, there are more important things to retro)
Whoever he was, he was super courteous to the folks in J, and...something I've never seen before. The FA's during deboarding thanked people during deplaning. The Captain was there too...but the SD was out by where they usually gate check bags (on the jetway), thanking everyone again with a smile. I was shocked. I've never been thanked so many times by so many people.
Jan 28, 2015, 9:09 pm
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Jan 28, 2015, 9:14 pm
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Jan 28, 2015, 10:11 pm
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The original 777/787 order was on condition AC were to promptly finalize the contract. To do this, they needed pilot approval. That order would have had Boeing pay for and install 777-style interiors on all 767s, and IIRC winglets too.
But AC dragged its feet, thinking pilots would agree to fly shiny 777s just because they would be fun to fly, ignoring other things ACPA wanted. The deal lapsed, AC had to reorder the aircraft under less favourable conditions. Hence the old style bins.
But AC dragged its feet, thinking pilots would agree to fly shiny 777s just because they would be fun to fly, ignoring other things ACPA wanted. The deal lapsed, AC had to reorder the aircraft under less favourable conditions. Hence the old style bins.
That did not happen because the company cancelled the order.
Jan 28, 2015, 10:25 pm
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The original 777/787 order was on condition AC were to promptly finalize the contract. To do this, they needed pilot approval. That order would have had Boeing pay for and install 777-style interiors on all 767s, and IIRC winglets too.
But AC dragged its feet, thinking pilots would agree to fly shiny 777s just because they would be fun to fly, ignoring other things ACPA wanted. The deal lapsed, AC had to reorder the aircraft under less favourable conditions. Hence the old style bins.
But AC dragged its feet, thinking pilots would agree to fly shiny 777s just because they would be fun to fly, ignoring other things ACPA wanted. The deal lapsed, AC had to reorder the aircraft under less favourable conditions. Hence the old style bins.
I can see why. Don't think there's an airline out there that works their 767 fleet harder than AC has used theirs ... They continually push them to the edges of their envelope.
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Jan 28, 2015, 10:37 pm
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Especially since Boeing thought they had a deal sewn up for 777-200's back whenever and Air Canada realized that they could do better with Airbus 340's instead.
Jan 28, 2015, 10:38 pm
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All employee groups made concessions after 9/11 when AC started struggling (well, struggling more than usual). But the other employees didn't take the same % pay cuts as pilots and were getting back to original pay faster. The pilots weren't happy when AC needed them to be.
Jan 28, 2015, 10:43 pm
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Have it on good authority the 787 terms AC negotiated are remarkable.
Always laugh when people around here attribute some Boeing products as "compensation for 787 delay". Boeing would gladly let AC out of their 787 order from what I've heard.
Think it's a very safe assumption the recent MAX order terms are in the same boat considering how it went down.
Jan 28, 2015, 10:48 pm
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Agreed.
Have it on good authority the 787 terms AC negotiated are remarkable.
Always laugh when people around here attribute some Boeing products as "compensation for 787 delay". Boeing would gladly let AC out of their 787 order from what I've heard.
Think it's a very safe assumption the recent MAX order terms are in the same boat considering how it went down.
Have it on good authority the 787 terms AC negotiated are remarkable.
Always laugh when people around here attribute some Boeing products as "compensation for 787 delay". Boeing would gladly let AC out of their 787 order from what I've heard.
Think it's a very safe assumption the recent MAX order terms are in the same boat considering how it went down.
With the Max, they had better have gotten a good deal considering how much better the neo vs max seems to be for all other airlines.
3621 vs 2452 ordered.
Jan 29, 2015, 1:20 am
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How many 763 flights have you been on? Your experience seems typical of any of the XM'd 763s I've been on.
Originally Posted by superangrypenguin
Does anyone know how old the oldest 763's are? Does anyone know when they will be axed from the fleet?
I was surprised to see the pods today YYZ to YUL, and was even more shocked to see that they had the LED overhead lighting feature, but boy was this plane old. The lavs were tiny, and the hygiene is very poor. You have to hold down the cold/hot water WHILE washing your hands? That doesn't seem very bright to me (hygiene wise). Sure the product was XM style, but the pods were all worn down and dirty, plus the bins were tiny. My regulation bags fit, but I had to lay it wheels to the side like a douche but I had no choice. Why didn't they update the bins when they were refurbishing the aircraft anyways? (and why retrofit for LEDs, there are more important things to retro)
I'm not sure if they spec 1:50 on a widebody in Y (I don't think so IIRC), but service was worse in Y than on a YYZ YOW run which is shorter (on a narrowbody). When I heard the SD's first name was ____, I immediately went...hey, that could be ACYYZ/SD (I've PMd him). Whoever he was, he was super courteous to the folks in J, and...something I've never seen before. The FA's during deboarding thanked people during deplaning. The Captain was there too...but the SD was out by where they usually gate check bags (on the jetway), thanking everyone again with a smile. I was shocked. I've never been thanked so many times by so many people.
Downside? Delayed by an hour or so....back of my mind thinking that it's because the plane is so old...and then realizing if I posted it on FT I would have my genitals cut off
*puts armor suit on*
I was surprised to see the pods today YYZ to YUL, and was even more shocked to see that they had the LED overhead lighting feature, but boy was this plane old. The lavs were tiny, and the hygiene is very poor. You have to hold down the cold/hot water WHILE washing your hands? That doesn't seem very bright to me (hygiene wise). Sure the product was XM style, but the pods were all worn down and dirty, plus the bins were tiny. My regulation bags fit, but I had to lay it wheels to the side like a douche but I had no choice. Why didn't they update the bins when they were refurbishing the aircraft anyways? (and why retrofit for LEDs, there are more important things to retro)
I'm not sure if they spec 1:50 on a widebody in Y (I don't think so IIRC), but service was worse in Y than on a YYZ YOW run which is shorter (on a narrowbody). When I heard the SD's first name was ____, I immediately went...hey, that could be ACYYZ/SD (I've PMd him). Whoever he was, he was super courteous to the folks in J, and...something I've never seen before. The FA's during deboarding thanked people during deplaning. The Captain was there too...but the SD was out by where they usually gate check bags (on the jetway), thanking everyone again with a smile. I was shocked. I've never been thanked so many times by so many people.
Downside? Delayed by an hour or so....back of my mind thinking that it's because the plane is so old...and then realizing if I posted it on FT I would have my genitals cut off
*puts armor suit on*
Jan 29, 2015, 4:40 am
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Really? This has been SOP for all my flights wide body or otherwise. Wide body the SD and FAs always saying thak-you, Captain/FO many but not all the time. Narrow body, SD always saying thank-you, FA sometimes depending on their position (I assume) and Captain/FO as well sometimes.
Jan 29, 2015, 8:16 am
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It was a big deal to get AC which looked to be going all Airbus back to Boeing's side, and I bet Boeing paid through the nose for it.
With the Max, they had better have gotten a good deal considering how much better the neo vs max seems to be for all other airlines.
3621 vs 2452 ordered.
With the Max, they had better have gotten a good deal considering how much better the neo vs max seems to be for all other airlines.
3621 vs 2452 ordered.
I can't wait for my first 737-9MAX YULYVR flight on a muggy, summer Montreal day ... Wheels might not get off the pavement before Ottawa.
Jan 29, 2015, 8:26 am
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