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Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
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Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html

Cabin Layout

Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html







- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.

Routes

The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:

YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
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Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet

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Old Feb 9, 2018, 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by RangerNS
You don't think that if AC asked for larger galleys and lav's that Boeing would oblige?
You mean like the ones delivered to AA and Westjet? Oh they got the micro versions too. Baaaad AC.
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Old Feb 9, 2018, 5:29 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I think the extra seat width on the 320 would be noticeable to anyone older than 9.
Agree
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Old Feb 9, 2018, 7:32 pm
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787 Max

Originally Posted by YEG_SE4Life
I wish I could still remember my first anything.

I can't compare to the current Airbus generation, I haven't been on one. I just wanted to relay my general observations, based on my first AC 7M8 experience. I acknowledge that I am comparing new to old. I still enjoyed the plane, though.
Agree. Had my innocence popped on a YUL-YYZ flight last week in J...FIN 512 courtesy of the new inbound tracking on the App. Nice IFE, USB, large OH bins.....but you need to be a contortionist when they are open and you're deplaning.
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Old Feb 9, 2018, 9:47 pm
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Originally Posted by jaysona
The 7M8 has new MLG
No, it doesn't. There is no space for it.

Originally Posted by jaysona
new nose gear, new pylon,
Sure it does. Otherwise there would be no way to install a modern high bypass turbofan on an antiquated airframe.

Originally Posted by jaysona
new wing
New winglets. New wing - absolutely not.

Originally Posted by jaysona
and some other structure stuff I have already forgotten about.
One of them is the new tailcone. I'm certain there is a practical reason for it, but it looks good too.
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Old Feb 9, 2018, 10:07 pm
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Originally Posted by WildcatYXU

One of them is the new tailcone. I'm certain there is a practical reason for it, but it looks good too.
It seems pretty obvious that this tailcone is aerodynamically superior to antiquated ones.

It is similar to a retrofit that was widely applied to a bunch of DC-9/MD80s. The newer CRJs also saw their tailcone redesigned to a similar shape. Seems it's only for the 748 that Boeing did not bother redoing the tailcone.
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Old Feb 10, 2018, 1:37 am
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Originally Posted by RangerNS
I'm sure HUMS is updated, I'm sure the ease of maintenance is improved. I'm sure various parts have been uprated, or downrated, or redesigned, for a better maintenance cycle.
Not really, the AHM parameters captured for the MAX is the same as the NG - with the exception of the additional parameters that can be captured for motor performance. So yes, technically HUMS is updated due to more maintenance data points that are captured - but that's due to the new motors and the data they can generate and not the other components of the aircraft.


Originally Posted by The Lev
True enough, although the manufacturer needs to approve the seating. You can bemoan the manufacturer for the cramped galleys and lavatories.
The OEMs respond to operator request, so yes, the OEM needs to certify the new LOPAs (Layout Of Passenger Accommodations), but those LOPA configurations are based on operator requests.


Originally Posted by Stranger
I think if AC would have asked for *smaller* galleys and lavs, Boeing would have obliged.
I think the galley and lavs are pretty as small as they can be at the moment. The forward galley is the width of the door, not sure how the galley could be made smaller.

Originally Posted by WildcatYXU
No, it doesn't. There is no space for it.
Yes it does! The MLG is new and had to be changes due to the increased weight of the motors. The MAX-10 will have different MLG from the -7,-8 and -9, the -10 will have levered MLG.

New winglets. New wing - absolutely not.
Yes, new wing is needed as well due to the increased capacity of the fuel tanks, lighter centre wingbox and increased strengthening due to the heavier motors.

One of them is the new tailcone. I'm certain there is a practical reason for it, but it looks good too.
Yes, I forgot about the change to the empennage as well, thanks for the reminder. ^
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Old Feb 10, 2018, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by WildcatYXU
New winglets. New wing - absolutely not.
At first I had assumed that they were using the same split scimitar winglet as on newer NG's but it is indeed a new design. Interesting article here:
Boeing 737 Winglets
Originally Posted by jaysona
Yes, new wing is needed as well due to the increased capacity of the fuel tanks, lighter centre wingbox and increased strengthening due to the heavier motors.
New wing or minor tweaks to the wing like the Airbus NEO?
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Old Feb 10, 2018, 11:32 am
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Originally Posted by jaysona

Yes it does! The MLG is new and had to be changes due to the increased weight of the motors. The MAX-10 will have different MLG from the -7,-8 and -9, the -10 will have levered MLG.
Actually, not. It is beefed up to support the higher MTOW, but is is still the old, short MLG. That's the reason for the LEAP 1B having a smaller fan diameter compared to the 1A and 1C. BTW, the increase in MTOW is higher than increase in the OEW.
The 737-10 MLG is telescopic in order to maintain a semi-decent rotation angle.

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Yes, new wing is needed as well due to the increased capacity of the fuel tanks, lighter centre wingbox and increased strengthening due to the heavier motors.
There are some tweaks in the wing to support the engines, but it is the NG wing. It is a modern wing, newer than the A320 wing, but there is no change other than the winglets compared to the NG. The fuel capacity is unchanged. The increase in range is fully due to better engines and some aerodynamic tweaks.

Originally Posted by The Lev
At first I had assumed that they were using the same split scimitar winglet as on newer NG's but it is indeed a new design. Interesting article here:
Boeing 737 Winglets
Same here. But there indeed are visible - and obviously measurable differences between the two.
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Old Feb 12, 2018, 11:25 am
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Old Feb 12, 2018, 11:43 am
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New tailfin design? White on Black certainly makes much more better design wise
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Old Feb 12, 2018, 12:03 pm
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New tailfin design? White on Black certainly makes much more better design wise
His tweet was:

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Old Feb 15, 2018, 10:07 am
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My parents flew this in Y and gave me their trip report. They LOVED the screens, and the look. They are both very small so no issues with room. They did however mention how the seats were so much harder than the blue ones, both wished they had a cushion to sit on. Really loved the overhead bins.

They said they'd prefer the E90/Airbus just because of the hard seats.
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Old Feb 15, 2018, 10:42 am
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They said they'd prefer the E90/Airbus just because of the hard seats.
Yes, I can imagine the seats being a real deterrent on those long hops to Ireland. No thanks.
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Old Feb 15, 2018, 4:31 pm
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I was fairly happy on my YYZ-YVR on preferred seating Y on this plane the other day. Plenty of room, the seat was fine, and the IFE was very good, albeit bad selection. I do agree that the Y lavs are pretty miserable, and are set up to stay dirty by mid-flight. For flights under 4-5 hours it's more or less fine. Will miss the Airbus planes of course, and looking forward to having the C series in the fleet.
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New tailfin design? White on Black certainly makes much more better design wise
It's still in the process of painting. Just search for aircraft painting on Youtube and you will see how primers are applied then how different colours are painted/masked.
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