Sep 19, 2017, 10:25 am
Last edit by: 24left
Jan 18 2021 TC issues Airworthiness Directive for the 737 MAX
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Link to post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32976892-post4096.html
Cabin photos
Post 976 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29534462-post976.html
Post 1300 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29780203-post1300.html
Cabin Layout
Interior Specs can be found here https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/home/fly/onboard/fleet.html
- Window seats may feel narrower to come as the armrests are placed "into" the "curvature" of the cabin.
- Seats with no windows feel even more narrower as there is no space created by the curvature of window.
- All bulkhead seats have very limited legroom.
- Seats 15A, 16A, 16F, 17A and 17F have limited windows.
- Exit rows 19 and 20 have more legroom than regular preferred seats.
Routes
The 737 MAX is designated to replace the A320-series. Based on announcements and schedule updates, the following specific routes will be operated by the 737 MAX in future:
YYZ-LAX (periodic flights)
YYZ-SNN (new route)
YUL-DUB (new route)
YYZ/YUL-KEF (replacing Rouge A319)
YYT-LHR (replacing Mainline A319)
YHZ-LHR (replacing Mainline B767)
Hawaii Routes YVR/YYC (replacing Rouge B767)
Many domestic trunk routes (YYZ, YVR, YUL, YYC) now operated by 7M8, replacing A320 family
Air Canada Selects Boeing 737 MAX to Renew Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
Mar 22, 2015, 1:12 am
#286
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Yes, although there will be two different 77W 3 cabin configs - one with J in the first cabin only (the current 77P), and the other with 2 J cabins (40?).
Not sure if the two additional 777s AC are getting (likely fitted with the new product) will be the 77P or the 77W config (i.e. less or more J seats).
Not sure if the two additional 777s AC are getting (likely fitted with the new product) will be the 77P or the 77W config (i.e. less or more J seats).
In other words, there will be no refuge for bottom-feeder Y passengers remaining once the reconfigurations are done. But PY will be a relatively cheap upgrade.
Mar 22, 2015, 9:24 am
#287
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Provide suffering for the large number who enjoy it, and employers who enjoy make their people suffer. Relatively affordable PY for those willing to pay a modest premium and for somewhat more enlightened employers. Use a pricing model somilar to Y for J seats, i.e. reasonable P/Z for a limited number of advance purchase seats.
As to upgrades, it detracts from the product. Obviously it is objectionable to get something for nothing. And IKK "is expensive."
Apr 9, 2015, 3:08 pm
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737Max engine troubles - 5% performance shortfall.
Whoops! Up to $100k/yr in additional COC isn't too much at first glance, but multiply that by 61 and now we're talking about some serious coin.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3046...osition-part-1
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3048...osition-part-2
http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/04/...oeing-737-max/
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3046...osition-part-1
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3048...osition-part-2
http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/04/...oeing-737-max/
Last edited by jaysona; Apr 9, 2015 at 3:17 pm
Apr 9, 2015, 3:32 pm
#289
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Whoops! Up to $100k/yr in additional COC isn't too much at first glance, but multiply that by 61 and now we're talking about some serious coin.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3046...osition-part-1
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3048...osition-part-2
http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/04/...oeing-737-max/
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3046...osition-part-1
http://seekingalpha.com/article/3048...osition-part-2
http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/04/...oeing-737-max/
Out of curiosity, are you confident CFM is capable of making up some of the difference? They have access to some serious resources.
I also stumbled upon this yesterday:
http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/201...195-seat-a320/
For all those who like the fact that Airbus uses a slightly wider seat that Boeing, here is the 'pitch-line' for Airbus marketing a 195 seat A320-neo:
"Simple math shows that an 18" seat at 28" is equivalent to 17" seat at 30"."
And "More 18" seats"
Priceless.
Last edited by tcook052; Apr 9, 2015 at 4:02 pm
Apr 9, 2015, 4:04 pm
#290
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That came out a few weeks ago.
Out of curiosity, are you confident CFM is capable of making up some of the difference? They have access to some serious resources.
I also stumbled upon this yesterday:
http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/201...195-seat-a320/
For all those who like the fact that Airbus uses a slightly wider seat that Boeing, here is the 'pitch-line' for Airbus marketing a 195 seat A320-neo:
"Simple math shows that an 18" seat at 28" is equivalent to 17" seat at 30"."
And "More 18" seats"
Priceless.
Out of curiosity, are you confident CFM is capable of making up some of the difference? They have access to some serious resources.
I also stumbled upon this yesterday:
http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com/201...195-seat-a320/
For all those who like the fact that Airbus uses a slightly wider seat that Boeing, here is the 'pitch-line' for Airbus marketing a 195 seat A320-neo:
"Simple math shows that an 18" seat at 28" is equivalent to 17" seat at 30"."
And "More 18" seats"
Priceless.
Apr 9, 2015, 4:14 pm
#291
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Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 5,530
The current 189 seat proposal is calculated at 28"
From the article:
"We know that Airbus believes seat width plays a far more important role in passenger comfort than seat pitch. Indeed, the airframer suggests that an 18-inch wide seat (featured on the A320) pitched at 28 inches is equivalent to a 17-inch wide seat (featured on the Boeing 737) pitched at 30 inches. It’s not a stretch to assume, then, that the airframer and its airline customers see an opportunity to shave another inch from the pitch, offering 27 inches, and still remain competitive.
"Yet, it seems the only thing that held airlines back from adopting 27-inch pitch on the A320 in the past is the fact that the aircraft was only certified for a maximum load of 180 seats. “The A320 has an exit limit of 180, and you don’t even have to go to 27 inches” to achieve that, Lufthansa Group executive VP fleet management Nico Buchholz told journalists at a media briefing in New York in late 2013.
That’s no longer the case."
Apr 9, 2015, 4:38 pm
#292
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we are lucky AC didn't buy A320, as they would want to be launch customer for a 27" seat pitch in Air Canada's race for the bottom, in airline comfort. 
Apr 9, 2015, 4:41 pm
#293
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(Please read with sarcasm)
Apr 9, 2015, 4:46 pm
#294
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Doubt they are going 9-abreast or 30" pitch on mainline, so they will become the most comfortable Y product until retired.
Apr 9, 2015, 11:18 pm
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With all this talk about Y getting more seats and pitch increasingly diminishing, I'm thankful that I am average height. Even being average, rouge is still uncomfortable for me.
It's also not bad motivation to keep me going to the gym on a regular basis. Seriously.
It's also not bad motivation to keep me going to the gym on a regular basis. Seriously.
Apr 10, 2015, 12:47 am
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Apr 10, 2015, 8:43 am
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Yes. My apologies. The 195 seat would require 27" pitch.
The current 189 seat proposal is calculated at 28"
From the article:
"We know that Airbus believes seat width plays a far more important role in passenger comfort than seat pitch. Indeed, the airframer suggests that an 18-inch wide seat (featured on the A320) pitched at 28 inches is equivalent to a 17-inch wide seat (featured on the Boeing 737) pitched at 30 inches. It’s not a stretch to assume, then, that the airframer and its airline customers see an opportunity to shave another inch from the pitch, offering 27 inches, and still remain competitive.
"Yet, it seems the only thing that held airlines back from adopting 27-inch pitch on the A320 in the past is the fact that the aircraft was only certified for a maximum load of 180 seats. “The A320 has an exit limit of 180, and you don’t even have to go to 27 inches” to achieve that, Lufthansa Group executive VP fleet management Nico Buchholz told journalists at a media briefing in New York in late 2013.
That’s no longer the case."
The current 189 seat proposal is calculated at 28"
From the article:
"We know that Airbus believes seat width plays a far more important role in passenger comfort than seat pitch. Indeed, the airframer suggests that an 18-inch wide seat (featured on the A320) pitched at 28 inches is equivalent to a 17-inch wide seat (featured on the Boeing 737) pitched at 30 inches. It’s not a stretch to assume, then, that the airframer and its airline customers see an opportunity to shave another inch from the pitch, offering 27 inches, and still remain competitive.
"Yet, it seems the only thing that held airlines back from adopting 27-inch pitch on the A320 in the past is the fact that the aircraft was only certified for a maximum load of 180 seats. “The A320 has an exit limit of 180, and you don’t even have to go to 27 inches” to achieve that, Lufthansa Group executive VP fleet management Nico Buchholz told journalists at a media briefing in New York in late 2013.
That’s no longer the case."
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/13/61/41/93/a320-110.jpg
I have to say, however, that the 189 seater A320 won't be my favourite aircraft.
Apr 10, 2015, 8:48 am
#299
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I'm afraid the article contains too much speculation. The 189 seater A320 is offered with space flex galleys and toilets and mostly 29" seat pitch. The last 9 rows have 28". Nobody talks about 27".
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/13/61/41/93/a320-110.jpg
I have to say, however, that the 189 seater A320 won't be my favourite aircraft.
http://i56.servimg.com/u/f56/13/61/41/93/a320-110.jpg
I have to say, however, that the 189 seater A320 won't be my favourite aircraft.
I was more dismayed with their marketing line: Simple math!!!! Trying to justify that the 18" x 28" is the same as 17" x 30" I wonder if the people in marketing can repeat it with a straight face?
I guess I'll need to practice my yoga sitting positions for future flights.