Rolling back the odometer?
Dec 31, 2001 | 5:15 pm
#16
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I don't think that the delay in display is new. I came to that conclusion a long time ago based on tracking via the web and tracking directly with the AC ops system. Trip.com also speaks of the display as "near real time".
I just checked AC124 which was due to leave YEG at 1700. It actually departed at 1708 [according to the AC web site]. Trip.com at 1709 said that it was scheduled to depart in 16 minutes.
I just checked AC124 which was due to leave YEG at 1700. It actually departed at 1708 [according to the AC web site]. Trip.com at 1709 said that it was scheduled to depart in 16 minutes.
Dec 31, 2001 | 5:50 pm
#17
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by exAC:
I don't think that the delay in display is new. I came to that conclusion a long time ago based on tracking via the web and tracking directly with the AC ops system. Trip.com also speaks of the display as "near real time".
I just checked AC124 which was due to leave YEG at 1700. It actually departed at 1708 [according to the AC web site]. Trip.com at 1709 said that it was scheduled to depart in 16 minutes.</font>
I don't think that the delay in display is new. I came to that conclusion a long time ago based on tracking via the web and tracking directly with the AC ops system. Trip.com also speaks of the display as "near real time".
I just checked AC124 which was due to leave YEG at 1700. It actually departed at 1708 [according to the AC web site]. Trip.com at 1709 said that it was scheduled to depart in 16 minutes.</font>
Dec 31, 2001 | 8:14 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Ken hAAmer:
She was put up in the Sheraton at T3, and given her choice of flights tomorrow morning. Room service arrived during the call, so perhaps they gave her meal voucher as well. A satisfactory response in my view, although I'd have preferred that she was here instead of there.
BTW, it was a J class award.</font>
She was put up in the Sheraton at T3, and given her choice of flights tomorrow morning. Room service arrived during the call, so perhaps they gave her meal voucher as well. A satisfactory response in my view, although I'd have preferred that she was here instead of there.
BTW, it was a J class award.</font>
Jan 13, 2002 | 4:17 am
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OK, now I know something's up.
Yesterday I put my mom on a flight home, that I observed depart late. I also spoke to her last evening, and she confirmed the plane left several minutes late. (We're using the "door closed" as the departure time, so it's not a matter of door or jetway or pushback of takeoff.) It wasn't particularly late, only a few minutes, nothing to be concerned about. It just came up in the conversation of how the flight went.
But checking AC's Status function on their web page indicates the flight departed 4 minutes early. Now I know this to be untrue.
Another lesson learned from US carriers?
Yesterday I put my mom on a flight home, that I observed depart late. I also spoke to her last evening, and she confirmed the plane left several minutes late. (We're using the "door closed" as the departure time, so it's not a matter of door or jetway or pushback of takeoff.) It wasn't particularly late, only a few minutes, nothing to be concerned about. It just came up in the conversation of how the flight went.
But checking AC's Status function on their web page indicates the flight departed 4 minutes early. Now I know this to be untrue.
Another lesson learned from US carriers?
Oct 27, 2004 | 5:32 pm
#21
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by Ken hAAmer
OK, now I know something's up.
Yesterday I put my mom on a flight home, that I observed depart late. I also spoke to her last evening, and she confirmed the plane left several minutes late. (We're using the "door closed" as the departure time, so it's not a matter of door or jetway or pushback of takeoff.) It wasn't particularly late, only a few minutes, nothing to be concerned about. It just came up in the conversation of how the flight went.
But checking AC's Status function on their web page indicates the flight departed 4 minutes early. Now I know this to be untrue.
Another lesson learned from US carriers?
Yesterday I put my mom on a flight home, that I observed depart late. I also spoke to her last evening, and she confirmed the plane left several minutes late. (We're using the "door closed" as the departure time, so it's not a matter of door or jetway or pushback of takeoff.) It wasn't particularly late, only a few minutes, nothing to be concerned about. It just came up in the conversation of how the flight went.
But checking AC's Status function on their web page indicates the flight departed 4 minutes early. Now I know this to be untrue.
Another lesson learned from US carriers?
Oct 27, 2004 | 5:49 pm
#22
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Originally Posted by ACDUDE
The actual departure time of the aircraft that is recorded in AC's system and therefore used to pay pilots and FA is once the pilots release the brakes. At the same time they will turn on "anti-collision" light on top of the aircraft indicating the aircraft is ready to push back. Next step is to call apron for push back and if it is busy they will make you wait few minutes, sometimes even more if there is an aircraft stuck behind you that is waiting for a gate...When I worked as a gate agent I never waited for push back. Once you see the light on you leave the gate area as that aircraft is considered departed.
But surely it would take more than six minutes after arrival time especially for a 343 to get to that point. Yet their system shows arrival at HKG at 21:05, followed by departure at 21:11.
Someone believes in miracles?
Oct 27, 2004 | 6:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Stranger
But surely it would take more than six minutes after arrival time especially for a 343 to get to that point. Yet their system shows arrival at HKG at 21:05, followed by departure at 21:11.
Someone believes in miracles?
Someone believes in miracles?
The scenario that I suspect is:
The airplane arrived and parkbrake set. The main cabin door was opened (arrival message sent) briefly, but the ground crew noticed that the aircraft was too far forward or backward to allow the door to open safely. The door was closed, the park brake removed and this gave a departure message to be sent.