May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Dec 8, 2016, 10:20 am
#6841
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YEG
Programs: AC Lifetime SE100K, 3MM, SPG Lifetime Plat, Hertz PC, National Executive Elite
Posts: 2,901
Are these seats really that different from AC mainline? There seems to be similar complaints on the economy seats on AC's 787's. Perhaps the other aspects of the 787 make the seats bearable. I will fly LH on the MUC-YYZ portion so it will be interesting to compare as i have never flown long-haul with LH but i have flown enough short haul with LH to know i do not like their slim line seats on their 320/321 product either. I still think AC's 330's, mainline 767's and mainline 320's family are the most comfortable planes. I dread the deliveries of the 737's. Saying that, i wouldn't be surprised if the whole fleet is refurbished with the slim line seats.
Dec 8, 2016, 10:55 am
#6842
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE MM, Bonvoy Plat, Hilton G,Nexus, Amex MR Plat,IHG Plat
Posts: 4,429
SO after many pages on this thread and having flown Rouge several times in all classes/seats, here is my conclusion.
Rouge Y experience is poor. Some posters claim you will die if you sit in non preferred Y seats and you are greater than 6ft tall. Fortunately I am just under 6ft.
Preferred Y seats on Rouge are acceptable.
J seats on single aisle Rouge are close to mainline
J seats on Rouge 767 suck but are better than being stuck in Y.
Some seats on Rouge have cushion softness (where my important backside rests) comparable to a recently acquired drywall from Home Depot.
Rouge is my home away from home according to the announcements.
Rouge crew tend to run the gamut from exhuberant to hide in the galley after one round of drinks/food.
If you are sitting past the first 4 rows in Y, there is a good chance that some food may be sold out.
Rouge crews fill out the flight number on your CBSA form. They will claim carpal tunnel syndrome soon but still a nice touch.
If you are stuck in Y and taller than 6 ft or wider than the avg person, then the seat with the most room is in the washroom. Take your book and spend some quality time there instead of encroaching on my space.
Rouge Y experience is poor. Some posters claim you will die if you sit in non preferred Y seats and you are greater than 6ft tall. Fortunately I am just under 6ft.
Preferred Y seats on Rouge are acceptable.
J seats on single aisle Rouge are close to mainline
J seats on Rouge 767 suck but are better than being stuck in Y.
Some seats on Rouge have cushion softness (where my important backside rests) comparable to a recently acquired drywall from Home Depot.
Rouge is my home away from home according to the announcements.
Rouge crew tend to run the gamut from exhuberant to hide in the galley after one round of drinks/food.
If you are sitting past the first 4 rows in Y, there is a good chance that some food may be sold out.
Rouge crews fill out the flight number on your CBSA form. They will claim carpal tunnel syndrome soon but still a nice touch.
If you are stuck in Y and taller than 6 ft or wider than the avg person, then the seat with the most room is in the washroom. Take your book and spend some quality time there instead of encroaching on my space.
Dec 8, 2016, 12:38 pm
#6843
Join Date: Aug 2012
Programs: AC E35K, NEXUS
Posts: 4,368
I flew Rouge YYZBCN and had a dreadful flight in row 21. (Although it looked good until the very last moment, my upgrade didn't clear and lost a gamble; didn't spring for the preferred bulkhead middle.) I keep thinking it was windowless but I have no record for sure of that. I had an unexpected windowless flight in the past year, and can't remember which flight it was. Seat Guru doesn't mark 21 as windowless on that aircraft. Who knows...
I regularly fly both 319 and 763 between YYZ-MCO and both are fine because 95% of the time, I don't book the flight until my upgrade window and can sit in J. I would definitely spring for the preferred middle next time if I am stuck on rouge TATL. However, I will definitely spend time considering routings via FRA or whatever first. I understand why a family of 5 is willing to put up with it, but it doesn't make it pleasant.
I regularly fly both 319 and 763 between YYZ-MCO and both are fine because 95% of the time, I don't book the flight until my upgrade window and can sit in J. I would definitely spring for the preferred middle next time if I am stuck on rouge TATL. However, I will definitely spend time considering routings via FRA or whatever first. I understand why a family of 5 is willing to put up with it, but it doesn't make it pleasant.
Dec 8, 2016, 2:14 pm
#6844
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: YYZ
Programs: A3&O6 Gold,IC AMB & HH Diamond
Posts: 14,132
Well, TAP will now be flying from Lisbon to Toronto as of next year and its not a rouged flight, lets see what Air Canada does.
Dec 8, 2016, 8:04 pm
#6845
Suspended
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 23
SO after many pages on this thread and having flown Rouge several times in all classes/seats, here is my conclusion.
Rouge Y experience is poor. Some posters claim you will die if you sit in non preferred Y seats and you are greater than 6ft tall. Fortunately I am just under 6ft.
Preferred Y seats on Rouge are acceptable.
J seats on single aisle Rouge are close to mainline
J seats on Rouge 767 suck but are better than being stuck in Y.
Some seats on Rouge have cushion softness (where my important backside rests) comparable to a recently acquired drywall from Home Depot.
Rouge is my home away from home according to the announcements.
Rouge crew tend to run the gamut from exhuberant to hide in the galley after one round of drinks/food.
If you are sitting past the first 4 rows in Y, there is a good chance that some food may be sold out.
Rouge crews fill out the flight number on your CBSA form. They will claim carpal tunnel syndrome soon but still a nice touch.
If you are stuck in Y and taller than 6 ft or wider than the avg person, then the seat with the most room is in the washroom. Take your book and spend some quality time there instead of encroaching on my space.
Rouge Y experience is poor. Some posters claim you will die if you sit in non preferred Y seats and you are greater than 6ft tall. Fortunately I am just under 6ft.
Preferred Y seats on Rouge are acceptable.
J seats on single aisle Rouge are close to mainline
J seats on Rouge 767 suck but are better than being stuck in Y.
Some seats on Rouge have cushion softness (where my important backside rests) comparable to a recently acquired drywall from Home Depot.
Rouge is my home away from home according to the announcements.
Rouge crew tend to run the gamut from exhuberant to hide in the galley after one round of drinks/food.
If you are sitting past the first 4 rows in Y, there is a good chance that some food may be sold out.
Rouge crews fill out the flight number on your CBSA form. They will claim carpal tunnel syndrome soon but still a nice touch.
If you are stuck in Y and taller than 6 ft or wider than the avg person, then the seat with the most room is in the washroom. Take your book and spend some quality time there instead of encroaching on my space.
Dec 8, 2016, 8:07 pm
#6846
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: SFO
Programs: *G^2, Bonvoyed, NEXUS
Posts: 3,520
Dec 8, 2016, 8:26 pm
#6847
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 36
Well i guess i'll (with my 5'7" height) just have to wait and find out for myself. If my kids are asleep then i'll survive and i'm hoping the 10:30pm departure will help that and make the next day bearable. The fact that my last leg lands me at my last destination (not counting a train ride after) i believe is a good thing but beggars can't be choosers out here at YEG. Going through FRA or MUC usually gets me/us in to Europe at between 1am and 3am Mountain time so we'll see how this scenario goes.
I'll also be able to make a direct comparison to AC's mainline 763 as it is shown to be the aircraft on the YYC-YYZ leg. I've also flown an LO IL62 on a YEG-WAW route in the early 90's with a fuel stop in YYZ. Can AC Rouge be worse than that? Wait don't answer that question.
You guys mention TAP starting the Lisbon route. I believe AC will keep that flight Rouged just like it will on the YYZ-WAW route. I have read that AC is increasing YYZ-WAW flights from 4x to 5x per week. Rouge competes with LO's 787's which would be similar to the TAP situation. However those LO 787's have the narrowest economy seat of any 787 operator i believe at 16.9" so it is very confusing as to which airplane is comfortable these days.
It will be interesting how full these YYZ-TXL flights are as well. Berlin is a great City but it isn't the number one destination in Europe and i'm just not too sure this flight will do great. You aren't connecting anywhere using TXL airport so i'm expecting most people are visiting or taking the train onward.
I'll also be able to make a direct comparison to AC's mainline 763 as it is shown to be the aircraft on the YYC-YYZ leg. I've also flown an LO IL62 on a YEG-WAW route in the early 90's with a fuel stop in YYZ. Can AC Rouge be worse than that? Wait don't answer that question.
You guys mention TAP starting the Lisbon route. I believe AC will keep that flight Rouged just like it will on the YYZ-WAW route. I have read that AC is increasing YYZ-WAW flights from 4x to 5x per week. Rouge competes with LO's 787's which would be similar to the TAP situation. However those LO 787's have the narrowest economy seat of any 787 operator i believe at 16.9" so it is very confusing as to which airplane is comfortable these days.
It will be interesting how full these YYZ-TXL flights are as well. Berlin is a great City but it isn't the number one destination in Europe and i'm just not too sure this flight will do great. You aren't connecting anywhere using TXL airport so i'm expecting most people are visiting or taking the train onward.
Last edited by LO 044; Dec 8, 2016 at 8:33 pm
Dec 11, 2016, 11:34 am
#6848
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC*SE 2MM
Posts: 16,675
Need to go on a quick YYZ-MIA trip in April. Return cost for business class on rouge $1,252. Return business class on American - $769... only a few dollars more than Flex.
What am I missing here?
What am I missing here?
Dec 11, 2016, 12:49 pm
#6849
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: yyz/ord
Programs: AC E50 UA1k 2MM AA EXP Royal Ambassador SPG Platinum
Posts: 1,516
Even worse UA/AA/Delta is selling yyz-PEK for $2376 and AC wants $3000+
unfortunately for Canadians, AC is able to rip us off because of Aeroplan or the inability of some Canadians to connect via USA.
Dec 11, 2016, 1:10 pm
#6850
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: OGG, YYC
Programs: AA, AC
Posts: 3,697
You're not missing anything. It's been that way for many years. I don't even consider AC for that route. OTOH there are routes (eg. YYZ-Hawaii) on which AA's fares are routinely double those of AC.
Dec 11, 2016, 4:30 pm
#6851
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC*SE 2MM
Posts: 16,675
Dec 11, 2016, 5:17 pm
#6852
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM SK EBG LATAM BL
Posts: 23,328
Dec 11, 2016, 5:18 pm
#6853
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: YUL
Posts: 971
Hi everyone. I'm very soon flying Rouge on the YUL-PTP route, supposedly in J. What should I expect?
Dec 12, 2016, 12:53 pm
#6854
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 106
I'm flying Rouge YYZ-BCN next summer and have been trying to decide if I should spend the extra $100 and get a preferred seat. How bearable are the regular economy seats for someone who is 5'10"? And do the rouge plus seats come with any other perks like priority boarding? Or am I just paying for the better seat?
Dec 12, 2016, 6:02 pm
#6855
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: YYZ
Programs: TK *G
Posts: 3,099
Also, I think this applies to 777 and 787 Y seats as well.
In fact the space of the accessible washroom definitely beats F, it's a closed suite
