TPAC Tango: goodbye AC!
Apr 25, 2012, 1:18 pm
#61
Join Date: Jun 2009
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If they only want people in "paid J seats" then don't promise upgrades as a perk of loyalty, at all for everyone.
Its simple really. AC want their cake AND to eat it.
Apr 25, 2012, 1:22 pm
#62
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Glad all of you AC elites are leaving for United. Makes room for people like me who have left United for AC!
You'll enjoy United as long as:
1) you never want an upgrade. 1k flyers are a dime a dozen on United roughly like Prestige on AC. Expect to be around 25th on a typical flight wait list if you fly 100,000 miles a year
2) in the unlikely event you do get upgraded you need to pay $500 + 20k miles each way
You'll enjoy United as long as:
1) you never want an upgrade. 1k flyers are a dime a dozen on United roughly like Prestige on AC. Expect to be around 25th on a typical flight wait list if you fly 100,000 miles a year
2) in the unlikely event you do get upgraded you need to pay $500 + 20k miles each way
Apr 25, 2012, 1:27 pm
#63
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Question: What happens to AE points earned so far if someone switches to United now? If someone has ~20,000 status miles on AC. If they start crediting rest of miles to UA, they may not get status on either program.
Apr 25, 2012, 1:29 pm
#64
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And what would it cost (in dollars and points) for a non-status Air Canada passenger on a Tango fare for the same upgrade on Air Canada flights?
Apr 25, 2012, 1:32 pm
#68
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I heard from a cousin of my neighbour who posted something on FlyerTalk in 2008 that UA sucks, and you never get an upgrade, so it must be the case, always. rah rah AC is the best.
Apr 25, 2012, 1:33 pm
#69
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Then the solution is obvious. Air Canada simply needs to do away with the economy cabin altogether, and become an all-business-class airline.
Apr 25, 2012, 1:35 pm
#70
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I have long and often stated that if Air Canada was to get rid of all of their employees and all of their customers, their marginal costs would drop to almost zero overnight.
Apr 25, 2012, 1:39 pm
#71
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It's this sentiment that shows an indifference to the problem. We are frequently cajoled, encouraged to fly AC and collect AE points and status miles for "privileges" which are listed off on the AE/AC websites. These are promises made for "loyalty". Then all of a sudden things change and we are no longer welcome and the promises evaporate or are diluted year after year. Its AC that sets the expectations from us then change the rules.
Apr 25, 2012, 1:40 pm
#72
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Ah yes. "Bottom Feeder".
I work for a multinational electronics company that has a policy of flying everyone in economy-class fares, including the CEO. We have some flexibility in terms of the carriers we choose, and we buy a lot of TPAC fares.
We get rewarded for our loyalty to AC by getting the occasional upgrade to J - and this isn't a "bottom-feeder entitlement", we pay for this by choosing to fly AC over other carriers, even if it's more expensive.
If AC doesn't want customers who can "can't even afford $1500 for a return", then I apologize on behalf of all companies affected by the economic downturn that can't afford to fly all their employees in paid J. I suppose we can't all be investment bankers, now can we?
If these people "make AC real money", as you put it, then I propose AC gets rid of economy class altogether and switches to entirely J class aircraft. I guarantee you'll see AC slip into bankruptcy faster than you can blink.
As tyberius said: "lose the Y customers and lose the airline".
I work for a multinational electronics company that has a policy of flying everyone in economy-class fares, including the CEO. We have some flexibility in terms of the carriers we choose, and we buy a lot of TPAC fares.
We get rewarded for our loyalty to AC by getting the occasional upgrade to J - and this isn't a "bottom-feeder entitlement", we pay for this by choosing to fly AC over other carriers, even if it's more expensive.
If AC doesn't want customers who can "can't even afford $1500 for a return", then I apologize on behalf of all companies affected by the economic downturn that can't afford to fly all their employees in paid J. I suppose we can't all be investment bankers, now can we?
If these people "make AC real money", as you put it, then I propose AC gets rid of economy class altogether and switches to entirely J class aircraft. I guarantee you'll see AC slip into bankruptcy faster than you can blink.
As tyberius said: "lose the Y customers and lose the airline".
Has it not occurred to them that many other companies are also attempting to slash, or at least contain, costs? What would they expect would happen if they effectively and significantly raised the fares for the same product (i.e. large increases in both T and T+ fares) while their competitors are offering more benefits for the same fares?
Apr 25, 2012, 1:43 pm
#73
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That's why those decisions are best made around Dec-Jan.
Apr 25, 2012, 1:45 pm
#74
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Only way I know of would be a LMU offer at check in ( have no idea on Tango fare, never purchased one and probably never will. I would go broke on same day flight changes @ $150 a pop, $75 is already stupid. ( company agrees, no Tango fares, just too restrictive )
AC as we all know sucks at upgrade choices unless you have status and eupgrades.
But UA biz class domestic is pretty much a bigger seat and spotty food/beverage service. AC tends to actually feed and serve their Biz class passengers.