May 30, 2013, 9:55 pm
Last edit by: jerryhung
New List of Mini-RTW 2.0 version after Oct 29th, 2014 "enhancement" (i.e. less MPM)
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement"
INTRO
This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.
Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.
INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS
What is the "Mini-RTW"?
The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.
In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:
•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015
So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:
NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC
You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:
NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC
Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.
How many miles is this going to cost me?
See the Award Travel chart here.
From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First
From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First
...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).
Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?
You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.
So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?
There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.
Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums
This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:
IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.
Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.
3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.
4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.
Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?
No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).
How do I book this?
Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.
What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.
Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.
What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?
$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.
How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!
Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.
The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.
One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement"
INTRO
This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.
Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.
INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS
What is the "Mini-RTW"?
The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.
In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:
•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015
So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:
NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC
You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:
NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC
Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.
How many miles is this going to cost me?
See the Award Travel chart here.
From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First
From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First
...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).
Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?
You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.
So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?
There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.
Want to find the new MPM after 10/29/2014?
Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM) - FlyerTalk Forums
This is no longer valid after 10/29/2014
1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.
MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.
To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.
TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.
To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.
TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.
Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.
3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.
4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.
Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?
No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).
How do I book this?
Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.
What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.
Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.
What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?
$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.
How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!
Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.
The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.
One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
FAQ: The Complete Newbie Guide/FAQ to the Air Canada Aeroplan Mini-RTW
Jan 3, 2017, 4:51 pm
#1456
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YOW
Programs: AC SE, FOTSG Platinum
Posts: 5,746
This might be beatable.
YVR-LHR-IST-SIN-PER-BKK-PEK-YVR is bookable, and that return leg PER-BKK-PEK-YVR is 800 miles longer than PER-SYD-YVR.
I think it'd be worth at least calling it in, on the understanding that you'd be limited to a <24h stop in either LHR or IST, and that you'd have to stop in Perth long enough to make that your POT.
The remaining problem would be that there's no *A partner who can do PER-SYD direct, but since OP would only be using one stop on the outbound, s/he could do an open-jaw YCD-YVR-LHR-PER and SYD-YVR-YCD, which would likely reduce the flown miles to an acceptable level, and pick up a cheap cash fare for PER-SYD on Qantas or Jetstar.
YVR-LHR-IST-SIN-PER-BKK-PEK-YVR is bookable, and that return leg PER-BKK-PEK-YVR is 800 miles longer than PER-SYD-YVR.
I think it'd be worth at least calling it in, on the understanding that you'd be limited to a <24h stop in either LHR or IST, and that you'd have to stop in Perth long enough to make that your POT.
The remaining problem would be that there's no *A partner who can do PER-SYD direct, but since OP would only be using one stop on the outbound, s/he could do an open-jaw YCD-YVR-LHR-PER and SYD-YVR-YCD, which would likely reduce the flown miles to an acceptable level, and pick up a cheap cash fare for PER-SYD on Qantas or Jetstar.
Jan 3, 2017, 5:08 pm
#1458
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
Programs: Occasional RTW club
Posts: 6,925
This might be beatable.
YVR-LHR-IST-SIN-PER-BKK-PEK-YVR is bookable, and that return leg PER-BKK-PEK-YVR is 800 miles longer than PER-SYD-YVR.
I think it'd be worth at least calling it in, on the understanding that you'd be limited to a <24h stop in either LHR or IST, and that you'd have to stop in Perth long enough to make that your POT.
The remaining problem would be that there's no *A partner who can do PER-SYD direct, but since OP would only be using one stop on the outbound, s/he could do an open-jaw YCD-YVR-LHR-PER and SYD-YVR-YCD, which would likely reduce the flown miles to an acceptable level, and pick up a cheap cash fare for PER-SYD on Qantas or Jetstar.
YVR-LHR-IST-SIN-PER-BKK-PEK-YVR is bookable, and that return leg PER-BKK-PEK-YVR is 800 miles longer than PER-SYD-YVR.
I think it'd be worth at least calling it in, on the understanding that you'd be limited to a <24h stop in either LHR or IST, and that you'd have to stop in Perth long enough to make that your POT.
The remaining problem would be that there's no *A partner who can do PER-SYD direct, but since OP would only be using one stop on the outbound, s/he could do an open-jaw YCD-YVR-LHR-PER and SYD-YVR-YCD, which would likely reduce the flown miles to an acceptable level, and pick up a cheap cash fare for PER-SYD on Qantas or Jetstar.
QF domestic is usually not bad at all with Avios.
Jan 16, 2017, 10:08 am
#1460
Join Date: Jan 2016
Programs: aeroplan
Posts: 5
Hi everyone - how are you able to figure out if different options for a mRTW are allowed?
For instance, we want to do Tokyo and Bangkok, as well as a 3rd European destination. (Originate from YOW). How can I figure out which destinations are allowed for the 3rd one? (I do have an account with Award.Nexus, not sure if that is useful, I've rarely used it).
For instance, we want to do Tokyo and Bangkok, as well as a 3rd European destination. (Originate from YOW). How can I figure out which destinations are allowed for the 3rd one? (I do have an account with Award.Nexus, not sure if that is useful, I've rarely used it).
Jan 16, 2017, 2:02 pm
#1461
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: YOW
Programs: AC SE, FOTSG Platinum
Posts: 5,746
Hi everyone - how are you able to figure out if different options for a mRTW are allowed?
For instance, we want to do Tokyo and Bangkok, as well as a 3rd European destination. (Originate from YOW). How can I figure out which destinations are allowed for the 3rd one? (I do have an account with Award.Nexus, not sure if that is useful, I've rarely used it).
For instance, we want to do Tokyo and Bangkok, as well as a 3rd European destination. (Originate from YOW). How can I figure out which destinations are allowed for the 3rd one? (I do have an account with Award.Nexus, not sure if that is useful, I've rarely used it).
Since it's not possible to fly Star Alliance directly from Canada to Bangkok, you'd have to connect somewhere in either Europe or Asia; since I can see that YOW-YYZ-PVG-BKK-ZRH-YUL-YOW is bookable, you should have no problem routing YOW-YYZ-TYO-BKK-(Europe)-YOW.
The hard part is avoiding any flights on Thai or Lufthansa (due to their insane surcharges), and also avoiding LHR on the return from Europe (for the same reason).
Jan 17, 2017, 2:59 pm
#1462
Join Date: Jan 2016
Programs: aeroplan
Posts: 5
Easiest way to get at least a rough idea, in this case, is to go to the website and do a multi-city search YOW-BKK-(european city)-YOW.
Since it's not possible to fly Star Alliance directly from Canada to Bangkok, you'd have to connect somewhere in either Europe or Asia; since I can see that YOW-YYZ-PVG-BKK-ZRH-YUL-YOW is bookable, you should have no problem routing YOW-YYZ-TYO-BKK-(Europe)-YOW.
The hard part is avoiding any flights on Thai or Lufthansa (due to their insane surcharges), and also avoiding LHR on the return from Europe (for the same reason).
Since it's not possible to fly Star Alliance directly from Canada to Bangkok, you'd have to connect somewhere in either Europe or Asia; since I can see that YOW-YYZ-PVG-BKK-ZRH-YUL-YOW is bookable, you should have no problem routing YOW-YYZ-TYO-BKK-(Europe)-YOW.
The hard part is avoiding any flights on Thai or Lufthansa (due to their insane surcharges), and also avoiding LHR on the return from Europe (for the same reason).
I've found a routing from YVR to Tokyo (HND) with Nippon Airways. Respectable I hope? Do most trans-ocean flights now have the upgraded business class pods? Last time I flew business was YOW->LHR and it was great with those cocoons.
I did not realize Thai and Lufthansa are also bad. Are they charging fuel tax? Or it's some other charge? I think it will be impossible to avoid Thai going into BKK, but I might be able to limit the damage.
I'm definitely trying to avoid LHR on the way home... but.. it's kind of ugly. Some go through Frankfurt so that's good.. but then I think it's Lufthansa.
(The cheaper the better, but even if I can get a mRTW for 600$... that's not bad for business class and really good value out of the aeroplan miles.)
Jan 17, 2017, 3:54 pm
#1463
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Vancouver, BC
Programs: Aeroplan, Fairmont Plat, SPG Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 99
Does Thai only have surcharges on certain routes? I just booked CGK-SIN-BKK-CDG-ORD-YVR with the BKK-CDG leg on Thai in F. Total taxes and fees were $129. I do remember avoiding Thai last summer on my way to DPS as any leg with them brought the taxes/fees way up (like $500+ if I remember correctly).
Jan 17, 2017, 8:13 pm
#1464
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,397
Does Thai only have surcharges on certain routes? I just booked CGK-SIN-BKK-CDG-ORD-YVR with the BKK-CDG leg on Thai in F. Total taxes and fees were $129. I do remember avoiding Thai last summer on my way to DPS as any leg with them brought the taxes/fees way up (like $500+ if I remember correctly).
If he'd added a YYZ-ORD at the beginning (and in case you're wondering, he's exempt from YQ on AC metal), it would have been around $500 on YQ.
Needless to say, he's buying that segment.
Jan 18, 2017, 6:46 am
#1465
Join Date: Jan 2016
Programs: aeroplan
Posts: 5
Does the 10 segment limit still apply? FAQ says it might be gone as of 2014/2015. Does that limit us to 10 flights?
Here's the routing I am looking at. (I'm waiting for my KVS activation code though...)
YOW-YUL-YVR-HND (stop)
HND-BKK-HKT (destination, thinking of 24hrs in BKK)
HKT-BKK-ZRH-NCE (stop)
NCE-FRA-YOW
This is 14 flights though
I did see the valid bookings thread and saw a few with 11 or 12.
Jan 18, 2017, 9:13 am
#1466
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Vancouver, BC
Programs: Aeroplan, Fairmont Plat, SPG Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 99
Jan 22, 2017, 8:13 pm
#1468
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 48
I am planning to book a trip and confused about making a connection in IST on both ways. Can anyone confirm if its legal routing or not ?
YYZ > IST > LHE (Dest)
LHE > BKK > HKT (phuket) POT
HKT > BKK > ZRH > ATH (Dest)
ATH > IST > YYZ
Is this a valid routing ? Can i make a connection in IST in both directions on my way and while coming back.
I can also do ATH > CAI > YYZ but i heard the Egypt J is just average and Turkish suits my schedule more.
YYZ > IST > LHE (Dest)
LHE > BKK > HKT (phuket) POT
HKT > BKK > ZRH > ATH (Dest)
ATH > IST > YYZ
Is this a valid routing ? Can i make a connection in IST in both directions on my way and while coming back.
I can also do ATH > CAI > YYZ but i heard the Egypt J is just average and Turkish suits my schedule more.
Jan 22, 2017, 9:26 pm
#1470
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: *void
Posts: 2,408
I am planning to book a trip and confused about making a connection in IST on both ways. Can anyone confirm if its legal routing or not ?
YYZ > IST > LHE (Dest)
LHE > BKK > HKT (phuket) POT
HKT > BKK > ZRH > ATH (Dest)
ATH > IST > YYZ
Is this a valid routing ? Can i make a connection in IST in both directions on my way and while coming back.
I can also do ATH > CAI > YYZ but i heard the Egypt J is just average and Turkish suits my schedule more.
YYZ > IST > LHE (Dest)
LHE > BKK > HKT (phuket) POT
HKT > BKK > ZRH > ATH (Dest)
ATH > IST > YYZ
Is this a valid routing ? Can i make a connection in IST in both directions on my way and while coming back.
I can also do ATH > CAI > YYZ but i heard the Egypt J is just average and Turkish suits my schedule more.
But as crimsona mentioned, MPM might be close. There is a quoted datapoint for YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q) from the other thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...seudo-mpm.html
Your inbound is a bit over that, at 12,511.
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=YYZ-IST...RH-ATH-IST-YYZ
I've done a bit longer out-of-the-way looping within Europe in my last two mini-Euros, so this should work though the MPM and GCMAP numbers don't lead you to think so. You'd have to call and see if it can validate by the system to be sure.