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Old May 30, 2013, 9:55 pm
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FAQ: List of valid and booked mini-RTW itineraries version 2.0 (post-"enhancement&quot

INTRO

This wiki is taken from the excellent overview in the first post of this thread by FrequentFlyer9000 and is meant as a guide to the Aeroplan "Mini-RTW" for the uninformed newbie flyer. This is a no judgment zone and newbies are welcome. In this thread, the usage of scary acronyms and complicated FlyerTalk insider-speak will be minimized.

Also, this wiki is a work in progress so please provide feedback or make wiki edits if you think something warrants it.

INFO & COMMON QUESTIONS

What is the "Mini-RTW"?

The Mini-RTW is a name given to a type of reward booking using Air Canada's Aeroplan miles. It is actually not a "round-the-world" ticket at all - it is a regular award redemption. Just as you would use 75K frequent flyer miles to go to Japan on another airline, you can use 75K to do so using Aeroplan miles. The difference is that Aeroplan allows you to "stopover" in multiple cities at no extra mileage cost, making it very attractive compared to other reward travel. It should be noted that this isn't really that much better than some other airlines. For example, Delta offers one stopover + open jaw, which is only one stopover worse than Aeroplan's deal. But many of the airlines only offer one stopover and no open jaw. So there is definitely value here.

In addition to your final destination (in which you can stay for days/weeks/months), you are allowed:

•Two stopovers in other cities (stay for days/weeks/months). You are allowed to trade one of these stopovers for an open jaw (where you land in one city, but take the next flight out of another city)
•10 segments (layovers during which you spend less than 24 hours in a given city) <-- this limit may be gone as of 2014/2015

So, disregarding the additional 10 segments, an award trip for Japan could actually look like this:

NYC > Tokyo (destination - one week) > Paris (stopover - one week) > London (stopover - one week) > NYC

You basically get three times the world exploration for the price of one. If you add on the extra layovers allowed, you can turn it into:

NYC > Los Angeles (one day) > Hawaii (one day) > Tokyo (one week) > Seoul (one day) > Hong Kong (one day) > Paris (one week) > Munich (one day) > London (one week) > Washington DC (one day) > NYC

Of course, you don't have to do the above. Spending so much time in airports can be exhausting. But the option is there for you if you want it.


How many miles is this going to cost me?

See the Award Travel chart here.

From North America to "Asia 1" countries: (effective Jan 1, 2014)
•75K in Economy
•150K in Business
•210K in First

From North America to "Europe 1" countries:
•60K in Economy
•90K in Business
•125K in First

...and so on. Check the link for other combinations. Assuming you are stopping in three cities, the city in the most "expensive" redemption zone is the zone you will have to pay for. So if you are visiting two Asia1 zone cities and one Middle East city, you will pay 80K miles rather than 75K miles since that is what the Middle East trip costs (numbers assume Economy class travel).

Which miles do I need to use? Can I use miles from other Star Alliance airlines?

You need to use Aeroplan miles. You cannot use miles from other Star Alliance members, such as United, to book this mini-RTW. However, you can book flights for the mini-RTW on any airline that is in the alliance and has the desired award seating available. You technically do not have to fly any segments on Air Canada at all.

So, what's the catch? What are the restrictions?

There is no catch. However, there are some restrictions on your itinerary. This is where things get a bit more complicated.

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1) Your itinerary must be within 5% of the total "Maximum Permitted Mileage" (MPM) for the route from the origin to the destination. Even though you are stopping in three cities by using your two stopovers and a final destination, you can define the destination as the stop city furthest away from the origin. Although certain flyers have gotten away with telling an inattentive phone rep that their final destination / "turnaround city" is one of their layover cities to increase their MPM, this does not always work. Sticking with one of your three stop cities is a safe bet.

MPM exist so that you cannot repeatedly fly around the world 10 times on your 10 segments. There is a limit to how many miles you can fly on the reward ticket. MPM guidelines can be found by using the KVS tool or by using Expert Flyer. MPM is calculated between your origin and your destination, one-way. The trips to and from your destination are calculated separately. You are allowed to overshoot this number by 5% ("MPM5"). If you can find a bookable itinerary online that has a mileage longer than the published MPM, this is a "published routing" and can be used even if it exceeds the MPM5. In KVS, navigate to the "Reference" tab, select "MPM" from the dropdown menu, and enter your city pair. MPM information is available under the Travel Information section of ExpertFlyer. It is available to all subscribers, Basic or Premium, and there is a 5-day free trial to ExpertFlyer.com that can be used.

To see if your itinerary fits your MPM limit, you can use the site here to see your total miles traveled: www.gcmap.com. Enter your airport codes separated by dashes to see the itinerary and get the total mileage (e.g. NYC - LHR - NYC). Example here.

TO READ MORE ABOUT MPM: Read this (short) document
2) If you do elect to use an open jaw instead of one of your stopovers, you must schedule the open jaw so that it is in the same "IATA zone" as either the origin or the destination city. So if you are going from NY to Japan to Europe and back to NY, the open jaw cannot be scheduled in Europe, since it is neither the origin zone or the destination zone. The open jaw also cannot be a larger distance than any two legs you are actually flying. In case you are wondering, IATA zones are as follows:

IATA 1 - The Americas (incl. Caribbean, Hawaii)
IATA 2 - Europe as far as the Ural Mountain range, Middle East & Africa
IATA 3 - Oceania, SE Asia, Far East, Sub-Continent.

Remember that if you use your open jaw at the turnaround/destination point, you will only have one stopover to use left. So you would be able to do NYC > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. This has one destination, one open jaw (at turnaround point), and one stopover. However, you would not be able to do this: NYC > Madrid (stop) > Singapore (destination, open jaw) // Tokyo (stop) > NYC. Because your 2 stops + 1 open jaw would be more than the two allowed.

3) You cannot land in the same city twice in any one direction. This means that on my way from NY to, let's say, Cairo, I cannot do New York > London > Paris > London > Cairo on the way there, since I would be stopping in London twice in one direction. However, I can stop in London on the way to Cairo and then again on the way back from Cairo.

4) The actual trip needs to be "bookable". It needs to follow certain rules. I won't get into too many details, but anything completely nonsensical in terms of routing is generally not going to fly. But most routes will not fall into this category. Just something to keep in mind.


Do I have to go in the same direction for every leg of the flight?

No. As an example, you can cross the Atlantic twice or cross both the Atlantic and the Pacific once (more like a real RTW trip).


How do I book this?

Assuming you have already planned out your entire itinerary to the dot and have made sure your trip is in accordance with the above restrictions, call Aeroplan and speak with a representative. Alternatively, you can try to book online for free. However, this is not always possible with more complicated routings.


What will this cost me in real cash? How can I minimize fees?
It depends on the region you travel to and which airline you fly on. In general, the more Air Canada segments you fly the more fees/taxes you will pay. Aeroplan does not collect surcharges on non-Air Canada-operated flights. So flying Air Canada internationally will cost you extra. If you use a lot of Air Canada flights in your mini-RTW, your fees could be anywhere from $150 to $400, even sometimes creeping up above $600. Lesson is to avoid AC "metal" (airplanes) if possible.

Every trip will have a $30 cost per person for booking on the phone, regardless of the itinerary.


What are the change fees if I want to change a leg or multiple legs of the trip later?

$90 for changes after original booking. If there is an involuntary change because of flight schedules changing, there is no fee charged. Note that when you make a change, the taxes/fees associated with fuel, etc. may change. They may decrease or increase depending on the previous flight and the new flight. This is independent of the $90 rebooking fee. The $90 is flat regardless of how many of the segments you change. It is not $90 per changed segment.


How do I plan this trip out? Even finding a simple award ticket can be difficult online, let alone one with 10 segments!

Good question. It is recommended that you use either the All-Nippon Airways (ANA) website (guide on how here), the KVS tool (costs money) or ExpertFlyer (costs money), or http://FliSea.com. I personally like to use KVS, but it is not newbie-friendly. It is $20 for 2 months for the "diamond" level service, and $75 for a year. Small price to pay for saving a lot of time, if you can handle the learning curve. ANA is a good free method of finding segments and many people have had plenty of success with it; FliSea is a metasearch tool that uses all of the sites above.

The trick is to do this one segment at a time. So first find NYC > LONDON for the date you want and make sure that the award class you are looking for is available (e.g. Economy low fare). Then do the next leg: LONDON > ROME. Repeat for every segment. Write down the details of each flight, calculate the mileage using the www.gcmap.com resource, and call up Aeroplan to book.

One of our Flyertalk members has built a database with all the Mini-RTW routes that have been flown in the various threads in one simple place: http://www.turnleftat.com/mini-rtw-list/
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:09 pm
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Originally Posted by lowside67
Just wanted to rephrase my question a little bit so as to hopefully ask a more direct question. I am based in YVR and am attempting to make a large geographic sweep with my ticket over 3 continents. It looks like Dubai is pretty much out of the question, I can't find any way to get there even close on MPM ending in JNB.

The way I understand the rules are that if I book a J-class reward flight and my "furthest" point is JNB, then I need to calculate the MPM for YVR-LHR-CAI-JNB which is the longest *A route I can find (Air Canada), which yields 10,794 miles. Then applying a 5% bonus, I have 11,334 miles to work with in each direction.

The way there is pretty easy, I would like to stop in Amsterdam and according to the MPM calculations, YVR-AMS (Stop) - JNB (Turn) requires a distance of 10,387 miles even though the actual exact path to get there would have some extra stops along the way which might add distance, is that correct so far?

Then I would like to fly via South America to get home, this is where it gets dicey! My ideal route home would be JNB (Turn) - GRU (Stop) - YVR. However, this has an MPM of 11,488 miles which is frustratingly close, but is beyond the 11,334 calculation I made early. Does this disqualify this itinerary?

Thank you for any help
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Just rephrased my question, hopefully somebody more knowledgeable than me can help with it!
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by lowside67
Just rephrased my question, hopefully somebody more knowledgeable than me can help with it!
First - you cannot calculate MPM based on the longest routing you can find - you need the official one published on EF or KVS or elsewhere.

Second, what you are proposing *should* be possible: earlier in the thread, someone routed YFC-GRU-JNB on the outbound and JNB-NBO-FRA-YFC (I am skipping some parts, but gives you an idea). The return was a published routing on LH. Search for that post, wasn't too long ago, should give you some ideas.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 12:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
First - you cannot calculate MPM based on the longest routing you can find - you need the official one published on EF or KVS or elsewhere.
Maybe I am confusing an official published route... that route that I posted which is YVR-LHR-CAI-JNB is an Air Canada/EgyptAir route that can be booked through Air Canada's website just using YVR-JNB (not multi-city). Would that make it an official published route?

Edit - from Air Canada's website, I now see that YVR-YYZ-LHR-JNB is a route which has an MPM of 11,261 miles - that should answer all my problems I think?
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Originally Posted by lowside67
Maybe I am confusing an official published route... that route that I posted which is YVR-LHR-CAI-JNB is an Air Canada/EgyptAir route that can be booked through Air Canada's website just using YVR-JNB (not multi-city). Would that make it an official published route?
Not necessarily. A published route isn't necessarily the one on the website - and in fact, I wound bet is often not even easily bookable (how many people reasonably book LAX-SYD by going LAX-NRT-SIN-SYD?). Rather, these must be looked up against a database.
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Ahh. Is there a way to do this without paying for ExpertFlyer?
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 1:46 pm
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Originally Posted by lowside67
Ahh. Is there a way to do this without paying for ExpertFlyer?
Nope (well, you could pay for KVS...). Or you could ask very nicely for a specific published routing and someone in the thread might post it
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Hmm... can somebody in the know please post the possible routings for YVR-CPT and YVR-JNB?

Thank you for all the help everybody!

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Capetown routings for South African:
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/
1. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YMQ/PHL/NYC/EWR/BOS-
LH-ZRH/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/
BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
2. YVR-UA/LH/AC-WAS/NYC/LAX/HOU/EWR/DEN/CHI-LH-ZRH/SNN/PAR/
MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/
BER/AMS-LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
3. YVR-UA/LH/AC-SFO/SEA/DEN/CHI-LH-ZRH/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/
HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-LH-
MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
4. YVR-LH/AS-SEA-LH-ZRH/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/
EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
5. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YYC/YVR/YEA-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/
SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/
BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
6. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/
HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-LH-
MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
7. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YYC/YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/
LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-
LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
8. YVR-LH-ZRH/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/
DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
9. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YMQ/PHL/NYC/EWR/BOS-
LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/
DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
10. YVR-UA/LH/AC-WAS/NYC/LAX/HOU/EWR/DEN/CHI-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/
PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/
BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
11. YVR-UA/LH/AC-SFO/SEA/DEN/CHI-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/
LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-
SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
12. YVR-LH/AS-SEA-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/
FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/
DUS-LH-CPT
13. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YYC/YVR/YEA-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/
VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/
BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
14. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/
LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-
SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
15. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YYC/YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/
MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/
AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT
16. YVR-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/
DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-
CPT
17. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YMQ/PHL/NYC/EWR/BOS-
LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/
DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-JNB-
XZ/SA/LH-CPT
18. YVR-UA/LH/AC-WAS/NYC/LAX/HOU/EWR/DEN/CHI-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/
PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/
BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-JNB-XZ/SA/LH-CPT
19. YVR-UA/LH/AC-SFO/SEA/DEN/CHI-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/
LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-
SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-JNB-XZ/SA/LH-CPT
20. YVR-LH/AS-SEA-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/
FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/
DUS-LH-JNB-XZ/SA/LH-CPT
21. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YYC/YVR/YEA-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/
VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/
BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-JNB-XZ/SA/LH-
CPT
22. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/
LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-
SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-JNB-XZ/SA/LH-CPT
23. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YYC/YTO/YOW/YMQ/YHZ-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/
MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/
AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-JNB-XZ/SA/LH-CPT
24. YVR-LH-ZRH/VIE/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/
DUS/DUB/BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-SN/LX/LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-
JNB-XZ/SA/LH-CPT
For Jo'burg:
1. YVR-AC-YYZ/YMQ-UA/AC-WAS-DKR-SA-JNB
2. YVR-UA/AC-WAS-DKR-SA-JNB
3. YVR-AC-YYZ/YMQ-UA/AC-WAS/NYC-SA-JNB
4. YVR-UA/AC-WAS/NYC-SA-JNB
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Dakar could be an interesting stop on a reward ticket to Jo'burg!
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hey, kZp's trying to take over my (self-applied) "most useful poster" title!!
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 2:57 pm
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You guys both have been fantastically helpful! Quickly looking at the JNB routings, there isn't anything over around 10,500 so I am going to be short on the routing back unless there is some flexibility when booking (around 400 miles - thoughts?) I'm going to have to spend some time pouring over the Capetown locations.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by lowside67
You guys both have been fantastically helpful! Quickly looking at the JNB routings, there isn't anything over around 10,500 so I am going to be short on the routing back unless there is some flexibility when booking (around 400 miles - thoughts?) I'm going to have to spend some time pouring over the Capetown locations.
Your outbound has no bearing on the inbound, i.e. there is no need to be concerned with MPM on both legs - take them individually.

Furthermore, if you are religiously following a published routing, then MPM goes out the window, even if the total mileage on the routing is 2x MPM.
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Old Mar 14, 2013, 3:50 pm
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Just to make sure I am reading this correctly:

/VIA THE ATLANTIC/
1. YVR-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YOW/YMQ-UA/LH/AC-YTO/YMQ/PHL/NYC/EWR/BOS-
LH-ZRH/SNN/PAR/MUC/MAN/LON/HAM/GVA/GLA/FRA/EDI/DUS/DUB/
BRU/BRS/BHX/BFS/BER/AMS-LH-MUC/FRA/DUS-LH-CPT

This says that YVR - YOW - AMS (stop) - CPT (turn) is a valid routing, right? I then put that into GC Map and get 11,721 miles so with MPM5 that gives me 12,307 miles. With that in mind, that means I can take ANY route I want, published or not, to get from CPT to YVR with one stop, as long as it's 12,307 MPM or less?

Thanks for all the handholding, I really appreciate it.

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No. It means you can take that route, even if it exceeds MPM.
MPM is a different measure.
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Orright! Continuing thanks to P n, kZp and mountaingirl, (who has been giving me a bit of coaching elsewhere) ^ ^

I think I've figured out this 'published routing' issue. Before, I was taking 'published' routing by several different airlines and stringing them together. Now, I appreciate (I hope!) that one uses EF (I do have a subscription) and choose ONE airline, but the routings it gives may involve airlines other than itself.

So, gunna change tack.

Essential trip is SYD-LAX/SFO (stop)-London (turn-around)-IST (stop)-SYD.

MPM5 via EF is 15,726 "AP", Atlantic or Pacific, so I think my milage for the trip is 31,452.

SYDLON-** 14MAR13 TICKETED POINT SURCHARGES APPLY.
GI M 5M
MPM AP 14978 15726
MPM EH 13237 13898
MPM TS 13299 13963
(Is it relevant that there is an 'EH' (Eastern Hemisphere) figure as well as an AP?

NZ has a published route on EF SYD to LHR via the US, all on their own metal (I'm including the other bumpf in case its relevent and excluding other routes because I don't want them):

V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 TGBOW T O 1872.00 ---- -/‡ 4/12M AP01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-SYD TO-LON CXR-NZ TVL-15APR13 RULE-5900 IPRAP/307
FARE BASIS-TGBOW SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-XOX OW-ECONOMY CLASS ONE WAY EXCURSION FARE
AUD 1821.00 0029 E15FEB13 D-INFINITY FC-TGBOW FN-84
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 14FEB13/2222 EXPIRES INFINITY

PUBLISHED RTG SYD-LON/NZ29 /TAR-EURG EF-15FEB13 DIS-INDEF

/VIA THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC/
BETWEEN SFO AND LAX SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN YVR AND LAX SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
DOM ROUTE VALIDATION APPLIES WITHIN US ONLY
1. SYD-ZQN/WLG/CHC-AKL-LAX-LON
Great Circle miles for that route is 13,645

And TK has a published route on EF London to SYD via IST:

V FARE BASIS BK FARE TRAVEL-TICKET AP MINMAX RTG
1 QH2PBOW Q X 515.00 T22DE -/7 -/12M EH01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT AUTO PRICE-YES
FROM-LON TO-SYD CXR-TK TVL-15APR13 RULE-C3XX IPREUAS/4
FARE BASIS-QH2PBOW SPECIAL FARE DIS-E VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-XPX OW-INSTANT PURCHASE FARE
GBP 345.00 3501 E22DEC12 D-INFINITY FC-QH2PBOW FN-
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 21DEC12/1029 EXPIRES INFINITY

PUBLISHED RTG LON-SYD/TK3501/TAR-EURG EF-22DEC12 DIS-INDEF

/WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/
DOM ROUTE VALIDATION APPLIES WITHIN ORIG/DEST COUNTRIES
1. LON-IST-BKK-TG/TK-SYD
Great Circle miles for that route is 10,895.

So the outbound+inbound miles add to 24,540, within the 2 x MPM5.

How am I doing, people? Well within MPM5 and on straightforward, single airline published routes?

IF the above is OK, I guess if I wanted to, I could take other routes in the same one airline list and go a little more round-about, as long as I kept within the MPM5 limits?

Crossing fingers, here.
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