Upgrade waitlist priority
May 9, 2011 | 11:21 am
#16
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Location: YYZ (base), lived in YVR, YYT, YOW
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The end result is often fare class on YYZ / YYC
So I suspect that my experience can then be explained due to the large number of *SE folks on this route looking to upgrade. So in the end it ends up being fare class within that pool. Since I'm only allowed to purchase the least expensive tango plus fares that pretty much places me near the bottom unless there are other factors.
Andrew, when you say 'status' is that a purely binary thing or does that have shades of grey - eg # status miles this year/last year etc?
Similarly with class of fare you can purchase the same classs of fare but at different prices, do these factor into the sort for upgrades?
Andrew, when you say 'status' is that a purely binary thing or does that have shades of grey - eg # status miles this year/last year etc?
Similarly with class of fare you can purchase the same classs of fare but at different prices, do these factor into the sort for upgrades?
May 9, 2011 | 12:15 pm
#17
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: YXU, ON Canada
Programs: AC LT E50K; AC*MM; SPG LT Gold
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Andrew, when you say 'status' is that a purely binary thing or does that have shades of grey - eg # status miles this year/last year etc?
Similarly with class of fare you can purchase the same classs of fare but at different prices, do these factor into the sort for upgrades?
, because that does show.
May 9, 2011 | 3:04 pm
#18
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: YYZ
Programs: AC SE 2MM, Hyatt Globalist, Bonvoy LT Platinum
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So I suspect that my experience can then be explained due to the large number of *SE folks on this route looking to upgrade. So in the end it ends up being fare class within that pool. Since I'm only allowed to purchase the least expensive tango plus fares that pretty much places me near the bottom unless there are other factors.
Andrew, when you say 'status' is that a purely binary thing or does that have shades of grey - eg # status miles this year/last year etc?
Similarly with class of fare you can purchase the same classs of fare but at different prices, do these factor into the sort for upgrades?
Andrew, when you say 'status' is that a purely binary thing or does that have shades of grey - eg # status miles this year/last year etc?
Similarly with class of fare you can purchase the same classs of fare but at different prices, do these factor into the sort for upgrades?
As much we'd love them to spell it out, Air Canada has never been willing to confirm or deny the full upgrade priority rules. I'll let Andrew tell me I'm wrong, but I now believe the day of list is done by: status, connection/no connection, fare class, check-in time. With e-upgrades may also depend on when you were added to the e-upgrade list.
May 10, 2011 | 6:19 pm
#19
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I'm 0 out of 4 so far this year for upgrades. 2 roundtrips from YGK-YYZ-LHR waitlisted 4 days out for all of them. Not cleared any at the gate. Understand this is a busy route with lots of SE's but surely SE's aren't chewing through all the e credits already? Its not like we get that many!!!
May 11, 2011 | 4:50 am
#20
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I'm 0 out of 4 so far this year for upgrades. 2 roundtrips from YGK-YYZ-LHR waitlisted 4 days out for all of them. Not cleared any at the gate. Understand this is a busy route with lots of SE's but surely SE's aren't chewing through all the e credits already? Its not like we get that many!!!
FYI, Apparently from what both the Concierge in YYZ and YVR MLL have confirmed to me that the following is what determines priority:
1. Status (I.E. SE, E, P)
2. Connections (furthest point connecting E.I YUL-YYZ-HKG, the SE in YUL connecting will go ahead of an SE originating in YYZ)
3. Fare Paid
Last edited by EZESE; May 11, 2011 at 5:04 am
May 11, 2011 | 5:17 am
#21
Join Date: Dec 2004
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I am going thru my E-Credits like water weekly!
FYI, Apparently from what both the Concierge in YYZ and YVR MLL have confirmed to me that the following is what determines priority:
1. Status (I.E. SE, E, P)
2. Connections (furthest point connecting E.I YUL-YYZ-HKG, the SE in YUL connecting will go ahead of an SE originating in YYZ)
3. Fare Paid
FYI, Apparently from what both the Concierge in YYZ and YVR MLL have confirmed to me that the following is what determines priority:
1. Status (I.E. SE, E, P)
2. Connections (furthest point connecting E.I YUL-YYZ-HKG, the SE in YUL connecting will go ahead of an SE originating in YYZ)
3. Fare Paid
May 11, 2011 | 5:36 am
#22
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At that point if there was a tie then the time of check-in would apply between both SE's.
May 11, 2011 | 6:43 am
#23
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I am 2 for 2 since the new rules came into place..both cleared immediately....usually buy Z fares on trans-pacific travel, so use the upgrades for domestic and transborder flights.
Thanks ANdrew for the clarification on priority.
Plumber
Thanks ANdrew for the clarification on priority.
Plumber
Jun 8, 2011 | 12:12 pm
#24
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 138
Can you please clarify as I can't seem to find info on my question on the AC website
I want to fly Latitude from YYZ to Sydney the week of July 18
I'm Elite
At the moment there are no instant upgrades guaranteeing me a seat in the front cabin
If i pay Latitude now, i'm still sitting in the back
What are my chances to get upgraded?
Because I would fly Latitude I would hope to be at the front of the wait list before a SE.......would this work?
I would also plan to fly with my friend who has no status (also flying latitude) and upgrade my friend with my eUpgrades
I want to fly Latitude from YYZ to Sydney the week of July 18
I'm Elite
At the moment there are no instant upgrades guaranteeing me a seat in the front cabin
If i pay Latitude now, i'm still sitting in the back
What are my chances to get upgraded?
Because I would fly Latitude I would hope to be at the front of the wait list before a SE.......would this work?
I would also plan to fly with my friend who has no status (also flying latitude) and upgrade my friend with my eUpgrades
Jun 8, 2011 | 12:30 pm
#25
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: YXU, ON Canada
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Most of the flights that week are showing J9, so there's a reasonable chance that if you book now, they will open up a seat within the next few weeks. The rules they use to decide on this are not public, so it's hard to know how status factors in. At the very worst, if things looked really bad you could cancel you r LAT fare for a refund and get a T+. I don't know how things work for a nominee.
Jun 8, 2011 | 1:00 pm
#26
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Can you please clarify as I can't seem to find info on my question on the AC website
I want to fly Latitude from YYZ to Sydney the week of July 18
I'm Elite
At the moment there are no instant upgrades guaranteeing me a seat in the front cabin
If i pay Latitude now, i'm still sitting in the back
What are my chances to get upgraded?
Because I would fly Latitude I would hope to be at the front of the wait list before a SE.......would this work?
I would also plan to fly with my friend who has no status (also flying latitude) and upgrade my friend with my eUpgrades
I want to fly Latitude from YYZ to Sydney the week of July 18
I'm Elite
At the moment there are no instant upgrades guaranteeing me a seat in the front cabin
If i pay Latitude now, i'm still sitting in the back
What are my chances to get upgraded?
Because I would fly Latitude I would hope to be at the front of the wait list before a SE.......would this work?
I would also plan to fly with my friend who has no status (also flying latitude) and upgrade my friend with my eUpgrades
Jun 8, 2011 | 1:15 pm
#27
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Can you please clarify as I can't seem to find info on my question on the AC website
I want to fly Latitude from YYZ to Sydney the week of July 18
I'm Elite
At the moment there are no instant upgrades guaranteeing me a seat in the front cabin
If i pay Latitude now, i'm still sitting in the back
What are my chances to get upgraded?
Because I would fly Latitude I would hope to be at the front of the wait list before a SE.......would this work?
I would also plan to fly with my friend who has no status (also flying latitude) and upgrade my friend with my eUpgrades
I want to fly Latitude from YYZ to Sydney the week of July 18
I'm Elite
At the moment there are no instant upgrades guaranteeing me a seat in the front cabin
If i pay Latitude now, i'm still sitting in the back
What are my chances to get upgraded?
Because I would fly Latitude I would hope to be at the front of the wait list before a SE.......would this work?
I would also plan to fly with my friend who has no status (also flying latitude) and upgrade my friend with my eUpgrades
Jun 8, 2011 | 2:15 pm
#28
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 138
thanks for the info Andrew
So i haven't booked yet as there is no advantage for me to buy a latitude flight now that doesn't guarantee me a first class seat
i could end up flying tango plus and have the same chance of upgrading if we waited until 4 days before
the benefit that I would get (please let me know if this is right)
is if I bought latitude now and 2 upgraded seats are available for us (say in the next week - more than a month ahead of the departure) we would get upgraded if i used my eUpgrades since with latitude fares you can get upgraded before the 4 days before departure
Air Canada would have my money now if i could use my eUpgrades in combo with buying 2 latitude fares....
So i haven't booked yet as there is no advantage for me to buy a latitude flight now that doesn't guarantee me a first class seat
i could end up flying tango plus and have the same chance of upgrading if we waited until 4 days before
the benefit that I would get (please let me know if this is right)
is if I bought latitude now and 2 upgraded seats are available for us (say in the next week - more than a month ahead of the departure) we would get upgraded if i used my eUpgrades since with latitude fares you can get upgraded before the 4 days before departure
Air Canada would have my money now if i could use my eUpgrades in combo with buying 2 latitude fares....
Jun 8, 2011 | 5:54 pm
#29
Join Date: Dec 2010
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the benefit that I would get (please let me know if this is right)
is if I bought latitude now and 2 upgraded seats are available for us (say in the next week - more than a month ahead of the departure) we would get upgraded if i used my eUpgrades since with latitude fares you can get upgraded before the 4 days before departure
Air Canada would have my money now if i could use my eUpgrades in combo with buying 2 latitude fares....
is if I bought latitude now and 2 upgraded seats are available for us (say in the next week - more than a month ahead of the departure) we would get upgraded if i used my eUpgrades since with latitude fares you can get upgraded before the 4 days before departure
Air Canada would have my money now if i could use my eUpgrades in combo with buying 2 latitude fares....
Jun 8, 2011 | 7:19 pm
#30
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I am 5 for 6, with the 6th currently waitlisted. However, 3 of those were latitude fares. The 2 T+ fares I have gotten through were waitlisted up until the 24 hour mark. I have 8 eUpgrades left as an SE.
Kind of seems like a low total of upgrades, especially since we got that one time bonus this year.
I should knock down one more threshold though.
Kind of seems like a low total of upgrades, especially since we got that one time bonus this year.
I should knock down one more threshold though.