Security changes in T1
Apr 13, 2001 | 12:49 pm
#1
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Security changes in T1
I'm writing this from the T1 MML. Effective yesterday, Air Ontario/Alliance passengers are no longer allowed in the international portion of T1. Air Ontario/Alliance passengers can only access the MLL from the landside elevator, and we must exit by that route as well.
(Bit of a pain, really, especially having to go back out through security to get to the gates.)
(Bit of a pain, really, especially having to go back out through security to get to the gates.)
Apr 13, 2001 | 12:58 pm
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I saw that notice posted next to the MLL gateside elevator when I was there on Wednesday. I took my chances, and was able to get to the Regional gates. I guess you're saying that I did this on the last possibe day that I could...
This is going to cut down on my "down" time, as I'll have to leave an extra 10 mins to get through security and to the gate.
This is going to cut down on my "down" time, as I'll have to leave an extra 10 mins to get through security and to the gate.
Apr 13, 2001 | 1:06 pm
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I arrived from T2 on the airside shuttle and tried really hard to get past the security guard, but he wouldn't budge. I could almost see the hall leading to the MLL, but I was forced to go back out to the main part of the terminal, and then through security again. It's quiet today, but it would be really inconvient on a normal Friday afternoon.
Apr 13, 2001 | 3:06 pm
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That is incredibly frustrating. I usually stand by for my YXU flights because there's almost always one that I can get before the one I'm scheduled for. I guess this means no quick trips to the MLL any more 
Apr 16, 2001 | 5:35 am
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I will raise the issue with G.M. for sales and service 
here in YSB.We are paying more to fly around the province than across the pond.We always seem to get the short end. Is this more an issue for duty free? P/U as purchased as opposed to claiming at gate.
In the early evening ,when the transatlantic flights are scheduled,security is busy.Where I had a 45 minute window for a MLL visit,will no doubt become a thing of the past.Where there is no competition,you get what they want to give you.
When you do not take care of the customer,somebody else will.
here in YSB.We are paying more to fly around the province than across the pond.We always seem to get the short end. Is this more an issue for duty free? P/U as purchased as opposed to claiming at gate.In the early evening ,when the transatlantic flights are scheduled,security is busy.Where I had a 45 minute window for a MLL visit,will no doubt become a thing of the past.Where there is no competition,you get what they want to give you.
When you do not take care of the customer,somebody else will.
Apr 16, 2001 | 8:47 am
#9
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The simple issue is that this is a necessary precondition to sterile transit.
I am prepared to wager that AC is going to set up sterile transit from US to International and v.v. They will probably use the old upstairs PIL as a transit area, with airside bus connection to the International area of T1.
But this means that you cannot allow International bound passengers to co-mingle with domestic passengers. (Which means, I am afraid, that the MLL will close to GX flights when that happens.)
[This message has been edited by AC*SE (edited 04-16-2001).]
I am prepared to wager that AC is going to set up sterile transit from US to International and v.v. They will probably use the old upstairs PIL as a transit area, with airside bus connection to the International area of T1.
But this means that you cannot allow International bound passengers to co-mingle with domestic passengers. (Which means, I am afraid, that the MLL will close to GX flights when that happens.)
[This message has been edited by AC*SE (edited 04-16-2001).]
Apr 16, 2001 | 9:37 am
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Ottawa in T2 and Kingston in T1...
What kind of organization is this? Why would AC give up T3 to charters, which is the most renovated of YYZ terminal anyway?
T1 is designed so badly... gates are not numbered sequentially... CC, BB, AA, then DD?? Also, what's up with the double alphabets? People will think.. AA hmm, where is AB or AAA? Why not just A, B, and C?
Transborder flights mixed with domestic ones in T2. International flights mixed with Ontario in T1... People in AC are really smart in organizing this, eh? Now they will lose millions of dollars to set up barriers and "security features" or move the gates again? No wonder they need AIF with silly things like this in YYZ!
What kind of organization is this? Why would AC give up T3 to charters, which is the most renovated of YYZ terminal anyway?
T1 is designed so badly... gates are not numbered sequentially... CC, BB, AA, then DD?? Also, what's up with the double alphabets? People will think.. AA hmm, where is AB or AAA? Why not just A, B, and C?
Transborder flights mixed with domestic ones in T2. International flights mixed with Ontario in T1... People in AC are really smart in organizing this, eh? Now they will lose millions of dollars to set up barriers and "security features" or move the gates again? No wonder they need AIF with silly things like this in YYZ!
Apr 16, 2001 | 11:27 am
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I hope you're wrong, AC*SE. If the T1 MML becomes exclusive to international pax then it's going to be horribly underused. As it is, it's a very quiet lounge most of the day until the international flights start to pick up in the late afternoon. Other than in the early morning and the late afternoon who will use it except for the regional passengers?
Apr 16, 2001 | 11:54 am
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What kind of organization is this? Why would AC give up T3 to charters, which is the most renovated of YYZ terminal anyway?
Transborder flights mixed with domestic ones in T2.
International flights mixed with Ontario in T1... People in AC are really smart in organizing this, eh? Now they will lose millions of dollars to set up barriers and "security features" or move the gates again? No wonder they need AIF with silly things like this in YYZ!
[This message has been edited by After Burner (edited 04-16-2001).]
Apr 16, 2001 | 12:07 pm
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Originally posted by After Burner:
Some people might be reluctant to fly AA or BA in order to avoid a terminal that is shared with charter airlines.
Some people might be reluctant to fly AA or BA in order to avoid a terminal that is shared with charter airlines.
Apr 16, 2001 | 12:39 pm
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Originally posted by MoreMiles:
Why would AC give up T3 to charters, which is the most renovated of YYZ terminal anyway?
Why would AC give up T3 to charters, which is the most renovated of YYZ terminal anyway?
Apr 16, 2001 | 12:52 pm
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I think the presence of easier connections between T1 and T2 is also a factor in AC's choice to consolidate its operations in these two (albeit older) terminals. I think T3 is overall a nicer terminal, but given its insufficient capacity given the size of AC and its remote location relative to the other terminals, too bad...
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