Question: Dayliner Flight to Frankfurt
Jun 18, 2010, 7:57 pm
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If the LHR daytimer runs at 9am and arrives about 9pm then the FRA would arrive after 10. Connections that night might be difficult. Is AC looking at doing the Daytimer to FRA?
Jun 18, 2010, 8:25 pm
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Not sure if AC is looking at this sort of flight. The thought came to me after I missed the last flight to Frankfurt, and I had to wait until the next evening to fly.
Jun 18, 2010, 9:06 pm
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A problem with it leaving at 6 am is that not everyone lives in the centre of the universe. With a 9 am departure they are able to get some connecting passengers onto the flight which makes it a bit more attractive. I don't think that there is any advantage to using a 787 over the 767 unless you just mean that there would be more planes sitting around that they have to use.
Jun 19, 2010, 6:57 am
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An 0730 departure from YYZ to FRA would get in around 2100, if my calculations are correct. It would at least allow good connection to the bank of LH flights that leave FRA at 2230 for JNB, SIN, BKK, etc. I wonder if AC would have rights to continue the flight to another destination at that point, rather than parking it at FRA overnight.
Jun 19, 2010, 8:12 am
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An 0730 departure from YYZ to FRA would get in around 2100, if my calculations are correct. It would at least allow good connection to the bank of LH flights that leave FRA at 2230 for JNB, SIN, BKK, etc. I wonder if AC would have rights to continue the flight to another destination at that point, rather than parking it at FRA overnight.
"Business casing" this scenario is beyond my pay grade !
Perhaps someone familiar with airline revenue management could comment on this suggestion.
Jun 19, 2010, 8:17 am
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An 0730 departure from YYZ to FRA would get in around 2100, if my calculations are correct. It would at least allow good connection to the bank of LH flights that leave FRA at 2230 for JNB, SIN, BKK, etc. I wonder if AC would have rights to continue the flight to another destination at that point, rather than parking it at FRA overnight.
Jun 19, 2010, 11:12 am
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A friend was on AC 868 (the dayliner YYZ-LHR) last month and he said the plane wasn't even half full on that particular day. He was chatting with one of the FAs and she suggested that AC was considering scrapping the flight altogether. If a YYZ-LHR dayliner flight isn't financially viable, I doubt a YYZ-FRA flight would be?
Jun 19, 2010, 11:42 am
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IMHO, a dayliner FRA would only work in the Summer season when transatlantic travel peaks. Simultaneously, AC would need to pull forward its first arrivals bank at YYZ to 06:00-06:30. I'm in Winnipeg, and this could mean a YYZ bound departure at 03:30-ish in the morning.
Jun 19, 2010, 12:51 pm
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A friend was on AC 868 (the dayliner YYZ-LHR) last month and he said the plane wasn't even half full on that particular day. He was chatting with one of the FAs and she suggested that AC was considering scrapping the flight altogether. If a YYZ-LHR dayliner flight isn't financially viable, I doubt a YYZ-FRA flight would be?
But I can't find a connection at either end that works
Jun 19, 2010, 4:37 pm
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Edit: A quick search turns up:
VS 18
CO 18
AA 142
BA 178
AA 90
UA 922
I wonder how often people turn up for the wrong flight between VS 18 and CO 18 given that they're an hour apart between the same two airports and with the same flight number.
I'm a bit puzzled because I know I flew EWR-LHR on BA during the daytime once but there doesn't seem to be such a flight any more.
Last edited by zkzkz; Jun 19, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Jun 20, 2010, 8:25 am
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A friend was on AC 868 (the dayliner YYZ-LHR) last month and he said the plane wasn't even half full on that particular day. He was chatting with one of the FAs and she suggested that AC was considering scrapping the flight altogether. If a YYZ-LHR dayliner flight isn't financially viable, I doubt a YYZ-FRA flight would be?
So I don't use it any more, but I can only surmise why ridership is down if indeed it is. There simply is no convenient (for everybody) way of scheduling an eastbound TA, it's an ordeal however you choose to do it.