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Old Feb 11, 2008 | 8:02 pm
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ed1
 
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Originally Posted by lin821
ed1, I think you know what I was referring to, the inconsistency in post count total (Under Quick Links/My Posts). Just to make sure we are on the same page.
Yep, we're on the same page. I grasped what you were talking about and you correctly grasped that I picked up on the two problems being possibly/probably related. I haven't bothered to check out the post total discrepancy yet, although I have one post that was deleted with a slew of off-topic posts, where I was attempting to turn it back on-topic while replying to the off-topic posts. I was then asked to repost just the on-topic part in a further attempt to get the thread back on-topic.

Originally Posted by lin821
I do remember folks reporting the numbers associated with certain specific posts being off but that was not what I was talking about. The thing I see probably is part of the "broader" problem you are describing. They might be intertwined and closely related siblings. Not sure if this would make any difference, I was/am using Firefox for my FT viewing pleasure.

As for the phantom forum pages, I didn't know much about that. But well before the most recent beta search problems, I already notice the Phantom Thread Page Phenomenon in one particular I've been actively participated in. The "Phantom Thread Page Phenomemon", which has been ongoing there since around 12/10/07 (after the 2nd page on that thread), is forcing this thread to "prematurely" generate a new page link/count which doesn't have enough posts to support the page yet. (Again, hoping you are following me.) For example, when there are only 25 posts or something, Page 3 has already being generated with the link that only takes you to the top of Page 2, when Page 3 shouldn't be produced before post#31. This is a bug that not only confuses readers but bugs OP as well.

What's interesting is there's a magic number for this thread I am referring to as well. The total post count under the subforum overview is always 4 count off (for example, 27 viewable posts but showing 31 posts under the forum summary overview page). When I contacted the mods and Mikel, I was told it was a "rare" glitch in the system and was due to deleted posts in the thread. That doesn't make sense to me since (1) I know for sure there were more than 4 deleted posts in that thread and the deletion didn't happen all at once; (2) I've been observing countless threads that recoup themselves and display accurate thread & post numbering, after certain posts being deleted. I finally gave up reporting that problem after 7 reports within two weeks and seeing no difference. What else can I do? I am just a regular non-techie user instead of a programmer!


I would think this is certainly a bug. I have no extra time (nor know how) to experiment your scenario but IB folks should definitely take a look at it!

The currently viewable deleted posts (with phantom post links), however, gives me another thought on the "Phantom Thread Page Phenomemon". Please pardon my non-techie logic first. If the deleted posts are still accounted for under Quick Links/My Posts thus viewable to the users, no wonder I am observing "Phantom Thread Page Phenomemon" for that thread! Since they still "count" somewhere in the background and the system, it makes sense (in this funny way) "the thread page generator" would release the next page link prematurely. I suspect others are witness the same problem in other threads as well. I still don't know why the trigger/magic number is 4 for that thread though. I am not sure if this is a search problem either. I only know these are tech problems.

I do hope IB hamsters are really reading all of our problem reports and get them fixed.
I think the two problems probably stem from the same source, whatever that might be. I've only done some very basic programming, so most of it is over my head too, but I do think we've discovered something that the development folks can use as a starting point.

To further complicate matters, what one user sees as 8 pages (at 5 posts per page), I see as one, since I have my preferences set to 40 posts per page. This can make links (such as page 2 [which can start with post #6, 11, 21, 31, or 41]), descriptions, troubleshooting problems, etc. very confusing. I also use most recent posts on top, which is weird because I keep reading "...said above" but for me it's actually below. For some reason starting at post #4 or 5 seems to be very common (at least using Firefox) for threads with phantom pages.
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