Originally Posted by
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Originally Posted by nachtnebel
I don't earn my paycheck destroying the civil liberties of my fellow citizens, feeling over their private parts without any cause whatsoever and causing humiliations--all despicable actions--and to boot spitting on the US Constitution that forbids the actions required to receive that paycheck.
It would be helpful if you knew what those civil liberties are first. Then I might put some credence to your opinions.
Oh, I don't know, Ron. It's not really that hard is it? There's a basic assumption in our culture that strangers don't put their hands on your genitals without FREE consent if you've given no cause for this. This basic perception and desire to be unmolested in that way by government agents was underlined in the bill of rights in the US Constitution. The Constitution did not establish this right--it exists by our nature--but it did formalize the behavior citizens expected of their government and put them on notice.
The courts may or may not live up to their obligation to uphold this legal contract on our behalf, but it is a fundamental violation of civilized human behavior and violates the persons on whom such molestation is visited. No court pronouncement can make it right to molest people like this for no cause.
Until your agency showed up two years ago with its sexual molestation program, ALL other government agencies had, and still have, no problem living within the probable cause limitations on feeling over citizens' genitalia.
... your opinion is based upon ignorance. Don’t get me wrong, you are more than welcome to whatever opinion you choose to have, but any opinion based on ignorance is far more likely to be wrong than right.
I find it passing strange that a TSA clerk, whose qualifications to acquire and hold his job could just about be met by a doorstop or a chimpanzee, would have the brass tacks to call anyone, ANYONE, ignorant. Just about anyone on this forum has job requirements LIGHT YEARS more demanding than a TSA clerk's.
As I've already said, citizens have a basic and correct expectation that as they go about their BUSINESS, which includes flying, they will not be compelled to let strangers touch their sex organs without cause. TSA is simply wrong here and before it's over, they will be forced to live within the same limitations as police do when they search PERSONS. Politically, it will continue to be unacceptable.
I'm not arguing the legal case here, as PTravel has many posts on the legal aspects of this, has legal competence in this area, and has skewered your legal position on this too many times to count.