Originally Posted by
Pesky Monkey
"Anomolies" are not prohibited items. These machines are just shy of 100% false positives.
As I have said before, they don’t detect “prohibited items” and have never been designed to do so. You are making several false assumptions.
Originally Posted by
Combat Medic
You mean how like the DHS was created and the TSA was created and now anytime there is a problem at all you dump the terminal so that you can re-grope grandma?
You have it backwards. TSA first, DHS second. I think there is a timeline about that somewhere on the TSA website.
Originally Posted by
ND Sol
Are any of those airports ones in which you have to leave airside to make a connection? Otherwise, what are your plans for getting "a pretty fair cross-section of what my fellow TSO’s at other airports are doing"?
Honestly I don’t know. I have never been through any of the airports on my schedule before, so it will be a new and interesting experience.
Just like you, I will be watching. Since I know what the rules are and how they should be applied I will be looking for many things, including TSO’s ignoring or violating those rules. I’ll let you know what I “see”.
Originally Posted by
nachtnebel
I don't earn my paycheck destroying the civil liberties of my fellow citizens, feeling over their private parts without any cause whatsoever and causing humiliations--all despicable actions--and to boot spitting on the US Constitution that forbids the actions required to receive that paycheck. The last I've heard, none of you folks were forced into that occupation, you chose it. And you continue to choose doing it.
It would be helpful if you knew what those civil liberties are first. Then I might put some credence to your opinions.
Originally Posted by
nachtnebel
So yes, zero respect is actually a higher mark than what is deserved here. Btw, we don't "think" that the TSA clerks are doing what they do. We can feel their hands roaming where they shouldn't be and we can see it. It is no less disgusting now than when it started in October 2010.
Opinions vary.
Originally Posted by
nachtnebel
TSA clerks infest the airports, train stations, and subways with their nonsense and present a threat to us personally in whatever venue they show up.
add: this is referring to what their actions merit, not implying absolute hatred of the clerks. By their uncivil acts they have removed themselves from full civic friendship. You can't be feeling our sex organs when we've done nothing to deserve it, and when feeling them YOU KNOW how much we hate it, you KNOW the duress, and then expect us to regard you as something other than what you are in your job--a threat, as someone who has harmed us and our family. "To see beyond" the hand up the crotch. As if. Such an expectation is not rational.
Again I say that it would be helpful if you knew what those civil liberties are first. Without that knowledge, something which seems to glaringly obvious to anyone who actually has knowledge on the subject, your opinion is based upon ignorance. Don’t get me wrong, you are more than welcome to whatever opinion you choose to have, but any opinion based on ignorance is far more likely to be wrong than right.
Originally Posted by
T-the-B
While I agree with the literal truth that "(t)here is no such thing as a document that
totally has no unambiguity in it," (emphasis mine) I think that it it possible to have documents that are very clear, with ambiguity reduced almost to the vanishing point. Check out the
FAR for an example of a government-produced, aviation related document that is very clear on what the rules are for operating aircraft in the nation's airspace.
Well, I’m glad that we can agree on that at least.
I’m not a pilot, so I don’t believe it would be appropriate for me to venture an opinion on the ambiguity of your linked document. What I can say is that there are pilots out there that intentionally or unintentionally violate it all the time. TSA gets the reports every day, right along with many other government agencies.
Originally Posted by
T-the-B
If there is an issue with an ambiguously worded SOP, then there is a problem with TSA management. They have the responsibility to produce clear procedure manuals. If there is an issue with TSOs not being able to comprehend the SOP there is a problem with workforce. I suspect both problems are afoot at TSA.
One of the major problems I have expressed here and elsewhere that I have with the TSA is its decision to hire its upper level management almost exclusively from the ranks of the retired military. Dont get me wrong, I am ex-military, but putting that “taste” of the military way of doing things in a civilian environment was a significant mistake IMO. OTOH, they needed to get all levels in place in a hurry(Congressional mandate) and they had a ready pool of experienced managers and administrators in the retired and ex-military members. Why not use that experience? Rock, meet hard spot. They did what they had to do.
Over the last 5 years or so there has been a slow exodus of senior management, retiring, and they seem to be putting emphasis on hiring civilian managers and administrators to replace them. Yet there still remains that “military taste” to TSA policies which civilians will find unacceptable. I don’t know if it will ever go away, that military mentality, but I see it having less and less effect every day on our daily operations and the policies that continue to evolve.