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Old May 7, 2011 | 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Frozentech
Just to toss another wrinkle into the debate, the AJC has updated the story to say that according to a passenger, the pilot said that TSA requested the plane return to the terminal.

http://www.ajc.com/business/muslim-l...om-938149.html
After a pilot reports that there are "security" concerns about some passenger(s), it is anything but unheard of for the TSA to get involved and request that the plane be held or return for (some or all) passengers to be checked out/re-screened.

While the TSA is responsible for a lot of nonsense and gets the criticism it deserves, I have doubts that the TSA is the cause of this messed up situation.

Originally Posted by grumpyaviator
Nov 2006, USAirways removed 6 Clerics for disruptive behavior. Google it.
The 6 religious representatives were not removed for disruptive behavior. Disruptive behavior got those US Airways passengers -- including a person with a history of being a US intelligence and law enforcement asset -- removed and denied travel on US Airways.

Originally Posted by ffI
More posts by GUwonder per each thread about the incident than muslims on that plane.
Perhaps, but not necessarily. I know I was speculating about the number of muslims on the plane, so it's possible that I have less posts per each thread than there were muslims on the plane. [Contrary to some perception, hundreds of millions of muslims aren't "brown" or "black", and many millions have names that wouldn't be recognized as "muslim" even by most other muslims.]

Originally Posted by hansyuwiwb
technically the captain can do whatever he/she wishes to the aircraft without giving any reason.
Technically, that is false. The pilots are flying for a common carrier subject to federal government regulation and using federal government resources to do so.

Originally Posted by hansyuwiwb
Since the pilot flies everyday and those two men can't be the first muslim passengers that pilot had onboard, there must be some reason besides them just being muslim (plus muslim men cannot really be identified by appearance. how did people even know they are muslim?).
A lot of bigots don't act out on their bigotry every day on the job, but sometimes they do. What causes a bigot to act out on their ignorance and/or paranoia one day but not on all other days could be anything or nothing at all.

Even as mis-identification of religion of persons is possible, it doesn't mean that perceived identity of "the other" can't be the basis of the bigotry. Bigots often hit targets whom they mis-identify. How many sikh men get hassled, assaulted or killed because an anti-muslim bigot thought the turban-wearing sikhs were muslim? Way too many.

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