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Old Jul 23, 2009 | 7:06 am
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kiwiandrew
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Originally Posted by Platinum A332
Middle East/India
For India, I am starting to believe you are more likely to see IT join oneworld as opposed to 9W as they joined the oneworld explorer airfare. But I think one or the other will join oneworld eventually. After all, 9W has developed a close relationship with airlines such as QF
yes , QF does have a frequent flyer/codeshare arrangement with 9W , so do 3 other OW airlines , 8 *A airlines , 3 Skyteam airlines and a host of non-aligned airlines - I think IT is a much stronger candidate for OW than 9W is , especially since they have , as you mentioned , joined the global explorer fare .

Originally Posted by Platinum A332
GF could be a potential inclusion. First, they are a member of the global explorer airfare. Second, former RJ CEO Samer Majali is now the head of GF.....so it might be easy for GF to join oneworld.

Alternatively, EY may be a strong possibility given the new established relationships with both QF and AA

bearing in mind that OW keep talking about avoiding overlap and limiting the number of members to around a dozen worldwide why would they bring in a second airline in the Middle East ? I am aware that geographically there is some distance between AMM and BAH , but I still dont see it happening without a major shift in OW recruitment strategy. If you dont mind my asking what specifically do you see GF offering OW ? In recent years they seem to have been almost the definition of a boom and bust cycle ... expand , contract , expand , contract , expand .... far more so than any other carrier I can think of .


Originally Posted by Platinum A332
Now, in a Utopian world where I had ultimate power, I would like to see SQ, SR, EK and 9W join oneworld....I shall keep dreaming.
I realise that you are talking hypothetically but here is my 25MUR worth.

SQ - in spite of constant rumours ( which, in my experience , for some reason mainly seem to come from Skyteam supporters ) I do not see SQ quitting *A . The main 'evidence' given for their supposed desire to change is their lack of teamwork and halfhearted commitment to *A - personally I think they would be the same whichever alliance they were in, they have always been a bit of a Prima Donna . Furthermore , around the time of the MX exit from *A there were frequent rumours about a 2 year "standdown" clause for *A members which , IIRC , prevents them from joining another alliance within 2 years of departure from *A . I have no idea whether this clause actually exists , or is just another FT/Anet urban legend , but it would not surprise me if there is such a clause , if it does exist I think that in the current economic circumstances SQ would need a pretty compelling case to swap alliances if such a decision caused a 2 year period in alliance ' limbo' .

if by SR you mean LX , blame BA , LX were announced as a future OW airline several years ago and BA screwed it up and drove them into the arms of LH and *A . They would have been a great addition to OW as all of their existing European hubs LHR MAD BUD HEL are on the edge of the continent with a sodding great gap in the middle which LX and their ZRH hub would have satisfied nicely ... still , OWs loss definitely turned out to be *A's gain .

EK have a fantastic network , but I am not sure what they would offer an alliance - they dont actually generate much traffic of their own from what I can tell , they just cannibalise it from other airlines . There is also the problem of their extreme inconsistency in both hard and soft product - when they are good they are outstanding, but when they are bad they are frankly bloody awful - feedback I have had lately has been more towards the bloody awful end of the spectrum than the outstanding end . Lastly , there is that fact that even more so than SQ they seem to feel that they should be calling the tune in any arrangements they make , so I dont see them as a 'team player'
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