Originally Posted by
TSORon
I have not ever said that halls, I have always maintained that it was a failure in policy.
Well, I'll give you one thing - you're the first TSA kool-aid drinker who has been honest about this. Thanks for your honesty. So let's see if we can advance to the next step. If it wasn't lax gate security that caused 9/11, why all of the new Kabuki theater in response? If it was just a policy failure, why all the new TSA procedures? Why did we need 45,000 new federal employees? Aren't we fixing a problem that didn't exist?
Originally Posted by
TSORon
I know this, which is why we no longer allow those types of things to happen, or at least we try. So far its worked, but humans are infinitely adaptable and the tactics of terror will always change. The objective is to try and catch the people as well as the weapons.
Let me see if I can make this clear, because you apparently don't get it.
As you have now conceded, the 9/11 hijackers could have been successful using common implements that were perfectly acceptable to be carried on the aircraft. We are safer today not because of TSA's Kabuki theater, but because of the measures airlines have taken to prevent a repeat of 9/11 - strengthening the cockpit door, armed pilots, and refusing to willingly give up control of the aircraft.
All TSA has done is create the illusion of improved security, while ignoring the real threats to aviation safety.
Originally Posted by
TSORon
That depends entirely on how you define the term success.
How about actually catching someone who was attempting a terrorist act? Found anyone like that?
Oh, and how about stop using BDO's to conduct unconstitutional administrative searches?
Originally Posted by
TSORon
Even with a stack of documentation a mile high some people are going to have your attitude about it. It’s a “no win” situation for the TSA with you folks. You have closed your mind to the advantages that the program can provide, and to the fact that it is only one more layer in the entire security system that TSA and others are providing.
So post some of this so-called documentation.
Originally Posted by
TSORon
I cant prove to you the validity of the program, you would need to get past your own personal prejudice first before the evidence could be presented. I don’t ever see that happening, you enjoy your hatred far to much to ever think about giving it up.
Unlike you, Ron, I've seen some of TSA's attempts to justify their measures, and they simply don't pass the straight face test. I work much closer to TSA and DHS management than you or Bart or any of the other TSA apologists on FT. And as I've posted before, I have in my possession a study which concludes that the most serious threat to aviation security is not above the wing or in the passenger terminal. That study was rejected by TSA management, in part because it didn't reach the outcome that TSA management wanted, and because it would have exposed the futility of your Kabuki theater and 45,000 new federal positions.
Originally Posted by
TSORon
Gonna call BS on you for that one halls. The facts of the costs of the 9/11 attacks are irrefutable. Undeniable. But until you open your mind and get off your own personal prejudice those facts will never be enough for you to admit your error. Sad.
Call BS all you want. I've never challenged the costs of the 9/11 attacks, just the response we've taken following the attacks.