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Old Jul 6, 2013, 11:41 am
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THIS PROGRAM APPEARS TO HAVE ENDED IN EARLY 2020.

Overview


Prior to 2020, Amtrak operated a codeshare program with United. The codeshare program permits passengers to connect via Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) with train service to/from these train stations:
  • ZFV – Philadelphia 30th Street
  • ZTF – Stamford, CT
  • ZVE – New Haven, CT
  • ZWI – Wilmington, DE

(NB: Codeshare trains are not available from Washington, DC or Boston, MA.)

These destinations are all along Amtrak's Northeast Corridor (NEC) line. The most popular codeshare origin/destination is ZFV (30th Street Train Station in Philadelphia, PA) since fares that are valid to PHL are often also valid to ZFV, and they can be quite cheap.

The codeshare trains are regular scheduled trains on Amtrak's Northeast Regional service. The trains stop at the Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) rail link station, where passengers can board the AirTrain (monorail) to the terminals and proceed to your connecting flight. Passengers in possession of an Amtrak ticket, including through the codeshare program, travel on the AirTrain for free.

Earning Miles (PQMs/PQSs, PQDs, and RDMs) on Amtrak

Codeshare train segments earn 325/250 RDMs (depending on purchased fare class -- see link), 0 PQMs/PQSs, and 0 PQDs one-way. (Note: This is a change from the pre-merger days (Continental Airlines) where you would earn EQMs.) You will only earn these miles by actually riding the train.

You can also earn Mileage Plus RDM miles on Amtrak via Acela Express. See more details at the following URL:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/Mark...es/Amtrak.aspx

Other General Pointers

Here are a few important points that have been mentioned in this thread:
  • The train tickets are for the coach section only.
  • United codeshare tickets operated by Amtrak are not valid on any other train (including Acela) besides your scheduled ticketed train as all trains on the NEC are reserved.
  • It takes approximately 10 minutes (once you board) to travel between the Newark Airport Rail Station and Terminal C via the Airtrain (monorail).
  • If you plan to do anything other than take the train exactly as ticketed (e.g., skip the train, pick up tickets at a different station, etc.), you need to be careful. Details on this issue are below.
  • Misconnections between Amtrak and Newark will be accommodated in the same manner as if you had taken a flight segment and were not able to make your connecting flight. Simply explain to the EWR agent that you're connecting to/from Amtrak.

Checked Luggage

Train to Plane
There is no luggage transfer service between the train and Newark Airport (EWR). You must take your luggage to the same check-in point you would normally use--skycap, ticket counter, etc. Your baggage will not be transferred from the train to your flight. (Amtrak trains serving EWR do not have checked baggage service, and so you'll need to carry your bags onto and off of the train anyway.)

Plane to Train
When your flight arrives at EWR, your bags will only be checked to EWR (airport) and you must claim your luggage at the baggage claim. Once you have claimed your bags, proceed to the airport train station via the AirTrain (last stop, after P4). There is no checked baggage service on Amtrak trains at the EWR train station, but overhead luggage racks offer generous amounts of space, and many cars have an oversized luggage rack at one of the ends of the car (near the restrooms).

Printing Your Ticket

Online check-in through United will give you a "fake" boarding pass for the train segments. This "fake" boarding pass is not valid for transportation on Amtrak. You must obtain your train ticket from the Amtrak Quik-Trak machine or Amtrak agent at the train station of your departure and at Newark Airport train station for your return.

ZFV, ZTF, ZVE, ZWI
To pick up your ticket, go to an Amtrak kiosk on the same calendar day as your departure (won't work on the day before, even if within 24h) and swipe your credit card/ID. Tap 'Pick Up Ticket' (Or something to that effect), then 'Codeshare', then 'United Air/Rail Customer' and input your train's UA-coded 'flight' number, usually a 66XX number. It will locate your record and spit out your train ticket and a receipt, if you wish.

Other Stations
Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL with your time/date and train number that you will be traveling to obtain your Amtrak Passenger Name Record (PNR). Keep in mind that this is not the same as your United reservation number! You must call to get the Amtrak PNR. Once you have that information, you may go to any Quik-Trak machine (such as Penn Station) to print your Amtrak ticket.

Skipping ZFV-EWR/EWR-ZFV Segment

The purpose of the Amtrak codeshare is to provide service for those who are traveling to or from the codeshare-eligible cities. Frequently abusing the Amtrak codeshare program to travel to or from EWR while skipping the Amtrak segment puts one at risk to you (like losing your MileagePlus account) as well as jeopardize the continuation of the program.

All of that said, sometimes there are situations where you might not end up wanting to take the train. If you do so, you will almost certainly want to book the trip as two one-ways. Fares to/from ZFV are usually one-way fares, so this will not make your trip more expensive.

The scenarios below are categorized as low-risk, medium-risk, or high-risk.
  • Low-risk scenarios are unlikely to result in cancelled segments; the risks here include UA coming after you if you do it frequently, and the possibility of being routed directly to PHL in IRROPS.
  • Medium-risk scenarios are those where some people have reported cancelled segments, particularly if there is enough lag time between the Amtrak segment and one or more of the United segments for the systems to sync up; sometimes you can get an agent to reinstate canceled segments/trip for no charge but seating assignment and upgrades will probably be lost.
  • High-risk scenarios are those where some segments are almost certain to be cancelled.


Here are the scenarios:
  • Booking One Way or Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, boarding ZFV-EWR downline (e.g. at TRE or MET) - No risk (subject to obtaining your train ticket--see below)
  • Booking One Way: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking One Way: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR only - Medium-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - Low-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping EWR-ZFV only - High-risk
  • Booking Round Trip: ZFV-EWR-XXX -OR- XXX-EWR-ZFV, Skipping ZFV-EWR and EWR-ZFV - High-risk

Frequently Asked Questions


Can I benefit from a schedule change?
If there is a schedule change, you can ask United to drop the ZFV-EWR segment. For example: I'm EWR based, but was "flying" ZFV-EWR-XXX. Originally, I had a 1 hour, 40 minute layover @ EWR, which got changed to a 1 hour 10 minute layover. I said I wasn't comfortable with that short of a connection time (since you have to take the monorail and clear security). I was able to drop the first segment (ZFV-EWR) without any trouble (and thus avoiding a "re-position" to ZFV).

Why would I want to book a train segment instead of just ticketing from Newark?
The best reason is that you actually want to get to one of the codeshare cities! Of course, there are also less straightforward reasons. Due to the competitive airline markets -- especially Philadelphia -- the ticket prices are often much less expensive using the train segments and a “connection” at the Newark Rail Station. Often times, other rail station ticketing points have fares that are less expensive than ticketing directly from EWR.

Can I obtain my Amtrak ticket at another location – say NY Penn Station?
According to the official rules, no. Quik-Trak machines not at codeshare stations (ZFV, ZWI, etc.) will not natively print codeshare tickets. Members here have reported mixed success in obtaining their Amtrak tickets from Amtrak ticket offices.

Call Amtrak at 1-800-USA-RAIL to ensure your reservation is in their system before attempting to obtain your ticket at an Amtrak ticket office. United train segments are generally placed in the Amtrak system 24-48 hours in advance of your travel (the official policy is 36 hours, but others have reported that conflicts with reality and is often less than a day in advance). When you call Amtrak, you will need to know your train number and date of travel. The Amtrak phone agent can give you the Amtrak confirmation code (PNR, different from your United PNR), which may be helpful when picking up your ticket--you might be able to get non-codeshare-station Quik-Trak machines to print your ticket using this confirmation number.

When dealing with a human ticket agent, most Amtrak ticketing personnel are not familiar with these type of tickets and will need the “assistance” of the Amtrak support desk, generally, to issue your ticket.

If you cannot obtain your paper ticket in advance, you may have luck having the conductor search for you by name after you board the train. You can also give the conductor the Amtrak PNR you obtained by phone, but conductors seem to prefer looking by name anyway. Note that at some staffed stations (like Philadelphia and New York Penn), gate agents will not let you onto the boarding platform without a valid ticket. Additionally, when you arrive at EWR, you won't be able to proceed through the gate to board the AirTrain without either a valid Amtrak ticket or a New Jersey Transit AirTrain Access Fee ticket, which can be bought inside the EWR station for $5.50.

I want to drive/taxi/walk to the airport, do I actually have to obtain my ticket in Philadelphia and ride the train?
Technically, you are supposed to ride the train. If you fail to print your train ticket from an Amtrak kiosk prior to the train's scheduled departure from ZFV, your UA reservation will be cancelled. (Note: this may have changed since Amtrak's changeover to e-ticketing, since printing a paper boarding pass no longer affects the reservation's ticketed/unticketed status.) If you pick up your ticket but then fail to have a conductor scan your ticket, the remainder of your United flight reservation will likely be canceled within 24 hours and possibly sooner.

Can I board the train at a different point than PHL if I have my train ticket?
YES! You can board the train at any station along the way – Metropark, Princeton Junction, or (if you are traveling from points North) even New York Penn Station.

Can I pay the difference in Amtrak fare to travel beyond the point to which I am ticketed?
No. (Confirmed as no longer true by FlyerTalk's Amtrak lurker, AGR Insider, in this thread.)

Much of the information in this wiki was originally put together by FlyerTalk user martig4. Some of the FAQ information dates back to 2004 and could be no longer applicable, so please feel free to edit this wiki and help ensure its contents contain the most up-to-date information!

Known Issues

The Amtrak codeshare is pretty great. But there are certain aspects that make taking the train-plane tougher than your garden-variety connecting flight. In hopes that some of these might be able to get fixed, here's a short list of them:
  • The eTicket for the Amtrak segment must be retrieved from a QuikTrak machine or a knowledgable Amtrak station agent, close in to the train trip.
  • The Amtrak confirmation number (which is useful for picking up the train ticket) is not provided by United.
  • Certain electronic reservation functions (like app boarding passes and automated SDC) are disabled when there is a remaining unused Amtrak segment in a reservation.
  • Occasionally, the Amtrak ticket disappears entirely, and neither Amtrak nor United admit that it's their fault. At its worst, this means getting on the train with the risk that the conductor won't accept whatever documentation you have.
  • Sometimes, the ticket shows up in Amtrak's system as unpaid.
  • Amtrak agents (except station agents at the high-traffic codeshare stations) and United agents (even at EWR) are often ignorant about the program.
  • The red phone at the EWR Amtrak station, which can be used to contact a good agent if the EWR ticket desk is unmanned, has a 10-minute call cut-off.

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Old Mar 20, 2017, 3:24 pm
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SDC on Amtrak Segment

Originally Posted by ermintrude
The wiki on this is great and pretty comprehensive except for SDC. I've recently been advised that if you wish to SDC (hassle free) to contact UA in advance (1K voice easiest for me - not sure who if lower than 1K) and ask them to write on your PNR that you are eligible for free SDC. This applies to both arriving to or departing from an Amtrak codeshare. This isn't a necessity; apparently it just makes SDC easier.
Thanks for posting this info. I'm scheduled to leave ZFV at 8pm with a 22 hour layover at EWR before flying onto MAD (Yes, UA sold it this way). Anyway, I am Gold and hoping to do SDC out of ZFV so that I can arrive in time to get on the MAD flight a day earlier. My plan is as follows:

T-24 call UA and see if they can do SDC (assuming my class of service on UA leg is available). If they can't, ask them to at least change the Amtrak leg that will get me to EWR in time to standby for the MAD flight.

If they can't/won't do either, I may get to ZFV earlier and see if Amtrak will allow me to get on earlier train (according to this thread I think chances of this are good). Then when I get to EWR, ask UA if I can standby. According to their policy, you are allowed to standby for earlier flights at connecting airports.

Any other suggestions? Am I missing something?

Thanks
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Old Apr 7, 2017, 7:28 pm
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Originally Posted by pbartp
Thanks for posting this info. I'm scheduled to leave ZFV at 8pm with a 22 hour layover at EWR before flying onto MAD (Yes, UA sold it this way). Anyway, I am Gold and hoping to do SDC out of ZFV so that I can arrive in time to get on the MAD flight a day earlier. My plan is as follows:

T-24 call UA and see if they can do SDC (assuming my class of service on UA leg is available). If they can't, ask them to at least change the Amtrak leg that will get me to EWR in time to standby for the MAD flight.

If they can't/won't do either, I may get to ZFV earlier and see if Amtrak will allow me to get on earlier train (according to this thread I think chances of this are good). Then when I get to EWR, ask UA if I can standby. According to their policy, you are allowed to standby for earlier flights at connecting airports.

Any other suggestions? Am I missing something?

Thanks
UPDATE: I happened to be at Newark Penn Station about T-24 of my ZFV departure. The Amtrak agent was very helpful. He was able to see my reservation, change it to an earlier train out of ZFV, but was not able to print out the ticket. He said the agent at ZFV would be able to.

Fingers crossed. Now I just need UA to open some space on the flight to MAD and we will get there a day early.
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Old Apr 7, 2017, 8:57 pm
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Originally Posted by pbartp
UPDATE: I happened to be at Newark Penn Station about T-24 of my ZFV departure. The Amtrak agent was very helpful. He was able to see my reservation, change it to an earlier train out of ZFV, but was not able to print out the ticket. He said the agent at ZFV would be able to.

Fingers crossed. Now I just need UA to open some space on the flight to MAD and we will get there a day early.
Nice to hear, keep us updated on how it goes. My suggestion once a EWR use a kiosk or your UA App to see if an earlier Flight is availible, prior to speaking with an agemt. Best of luck and Safe Travels..
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Old May 18, 2017, 2:14 pm
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Do tickets purchased via UA including ZFV segments credit tier earning points to Amtrak or just reward redemption points? Also, considering purchasing a ZFV origination ticket, but live near Trenton... What is the current risk level of forgoing the ZFV segment? Or of going to Trenton and boarding there? Thanks!
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Old May 18, 2017, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by ShaynaLeahK
Do tickets purchased via UA including ZFV segments credit tier earning points to Amtrak or just reward redemption points? Also, considering purchasing a ZFV origination ticket, but live near Trenton... What is the current risk level of forgoing the ZFV segment? Or of going to Trenton and boarding there? Thanks!
Take a look at the Wiki on the top header of this thread. Many scenarios are discussed. The answer to your questions are there.. I personally would not eliminate the ZFV leg as UA will cancel the balance of your Itinerary.. As tp boarding in Trenton, read on..

Thanks and Safe Travels
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Old May 18, 2017, 3:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
Take a look at the Wiki on the top header of this thread. Many scenarios are discussed. The answer to your questions are there.. I personally would not eliminate the ZFV leg as UA will cancel the balance of your Itinerary.. As tp boarding in Trenton, read on..

Thanks and Safe Travels
Thanks, I did see that wiki (much appreciated!) but my ? about whether points posted to Amtrak are tier earning was not answered there, and was hoping for more specific-to-Trenton experiences since it's a smaller station (though it does have a live agent most of the time).
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Old May 18, 2017, 5:32 pm
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Originally Posted by ShaynaLeahK
Thanks, I did see that wiki (much appreciated!) but my ? about whether points posted to Amtrak are tier earning was not answered there, and was hoping for more specific-to-Trenton experiences since it's a smaller station (though it does have a live agent most of the time).
Amtrak does not earn per dollar and is not qualifying activity either. Would not risk Trenton unless you somehow can get your ticket ... recently tried that in EWR for the return from ZFV and failed. Leaving the train in Trenton should be fine.
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Originally Posted by cfischer
Amtrak does not earn per dollar and is not qualifying activity either. Would not risk Trenton unless you somehow can get your ticket ... recently tried that in EWR for the return from ZFV and failed. Leaving the train in Trenton should be fine.
I'm a firm beleiver that you should ride the Amtrak as it was ticketed. We here so many stories that those whom are complient end up having an issue at check in that will be resolved by UA rather quickly. Why risk it (and I push the limit)* Just get to ZFV for the orgination and exit Trenton on the final leg as this poster stated..
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Old May 19, 2017, 8:22 am
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Originally Posted by Flying Machine
I'm a firm beleiver that you should ride the Amtrak as it was ticketed. We here so many stories that those whom are complient end up having an issue at check in that will be resolved by UA rather quickly. Why risk it (and I push the limit)* Just get to ZFV for the origination and exit Trenton on the final leg as this poster stated..
Indeed. Burned once, never again. Though I will do Metropark if the particular train has a stop there and if I can get my ticket the day of.
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Old May 25, 2017, 12:45 pm
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played by rules, still had problems

I just flew ZFV-EWR-XXX (Europe) round trip and was told that my ticket had been cancelled upon checking my bag at XXX for my return flight (despite the fact that I legitimately took the Amtrak segment from Philly, and was able to complete OLCI and print a boarding pass the night before my return flight). Was able to get my ticket reinstated but only after a 15-minute argument and then 15-more minutes of the agent working to restore the ticket. my seat assignment was lost. any thoughts as to why this happened? my codeshare train ticket was properly scanned onboard Amtrak. i used the customer service form on united.com to let them know about this, but no response 1 week later. is it worth using a different contact method? XXX staff was clueless as to the code-share program, their best guess was that I had cancelled the ticket myself (i hadn't) or had used an unauthorized travel agent, hence the 15 minutes of arguing to even get them to help me. any theories as to why this happened?
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Old May 25, 2017, 2:12 pm
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Originally Posted by orvando
I just flew ZFV-EWR-XXX (Europe) round trip and was told that my ticket had been cancelled upon checking my bag at XXX for my return flight (despite the fact that I legitimately took the Amtrak segment from Philly, and was able to complete OLCI and print a boarding pass the night before my return flight). Was able to get my ticket reinstated but only after a 15-minute argument and then 15-more minutes of the agent working to restore the ticket. my seat assignment was lost. any thoughts as to why this happened? my codeshare train ticket was properly scanned onboard Amtrak. i used the customer service form on united.com to let them know about this, but no response 1 week later. is it worth using a different contact method? XXX staff was clueless as to the code-share program, their best guess was that I had cancelled the ticket myself (i hadn't) or had used an unauthorized travel agent, hence the 15 minutes of arguing to even get them to help me. any theories as to why this happened?
The amtrak to United communication fails a lot. I've not received mileage credit automatically for either of my ZFV-EWR rides despite having my ticket scanned. I was travelling on one-ways, hence no cancellation risk, but I'd be watching my tickets like a hawk on a return. It's just the way things are...
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Old May 25, 2017, 2:19 pm
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As far as Trenton goes - assuming you're doing a round trip, I would park at Trenton (It about half the price of ZFV), take Septa to 30th street. Get Amtrak ticket and board there on the UA itinerary there, then when coming home just get off in Trenton.
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Old May 25, 2017, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by televisor
The amtrak to United communication fails a lot. I've not received mileage credit automatically for either of my ZFV-EWR rides despite having my ticket scanned. I was travelling on one-ways, hence no cancellation risk, but I'd be watching my tickets like a hawk on a return. It's just the way things are...
still shocked that i got through OLCI and created a BP. if this was a return on a domestic itin without a checked bag, i would've made it to the gate before having a clue that I had a problem.
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Old May 27, 2017, 11:48 pm
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Originally Posted by orvando
still shocked that i got through OLCI and created a BP. if this was a return on a domestic itin without a checked bag, i would've made it to the gate before having a clue that I had a problem.
Why only domestic? Even international, if you weren't checking a bag, you still would've made it to the gate, boarding at that, without realizing an issue. And worse international, because if you were in the lounge until basically the end, you wouldn't have had 15 minutes to spare!
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Old Jun 8, 2017, 8:57 am
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fair point! since I completed OLCI, does that mean that my return ticket wasn't invalidated until less than 24 hours to its departure (10+ days after the "missed" amtrak segment)? either that's the case, or one can complete OLCI with a dead reservation...neither of which makes much sense! my head is exploding :-(
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