How many are REALLY leaving UA? [ARCHIVE]
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How many are REALLY leaving UA? [ARCHIVE]
Well today< I began my switch over to AA. I had been with UAL for so long---but just worn out the last two years. Last year, I did 139 segments, did over 100K but basically wasn't getting upgraded anymore.
Today--albeit one flight---I was upgraded 100 hours in advance, was served a meal on an RJ (E175), enjoyed the Admirals CLub and actually enjoyed my experience. Hoping for 2015 to continue well!
Today--albeit one flight---I was upgraded 100 hours in advance, was served a meal on an RJ (E175), enjoyed the Admirals CLub and actually enjoyed my experience. Hoping for 2015 to continue well!
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Well today< I began my switch over to AA. I had been with UAL for so long---but just worn out the last two years. Last year, I did 139 segments, did over 100K but basically wasn't getting upgraded anymore.
Today--albeit one flight---I was upgraded 100 hours in advance, was served a meal on an RJ (E175), enjoyed the Admirals CLub and actually enjoyed my experience. Hoping for 2015 to continue well!
Today--albeit one flight---I was upgraded 100 hours in advance, was served a meal on an RJ (E175), enjoyed the Admirals CLub and actually enjoyed my experience. Hoping for 2015 to continue well!
Please report back your AA experiences......
Did you get 8 AA SWU?
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Well today< I began my switch over to AA. I had been with UAL for so long---but just worn out the last two years. Last year, I did 139 segments, did over 100K but basically wasn't getting upgraded anymore.
Today--albeit one flight---I was upgraded 100 hours in advance, was served a meal on an RJ (E175), enjoyed the Admirals CLub and actually enjoyed my experience. Hoping for 2015 to continue well!
Today--albeit one flight---I was upgraded 100 hours in advance, was served a meal on an RJ (E175), enjoyed the Admirals CLub and actually enjoyed my experience. Hoping for 2015 to continue well!
Unfortunately for UA, the competition starts on a high note.
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Responding to the Westin question on the 2014 thread.
Yes I asked and they said it's further out (miles wise yes but driving time wise it's the same 15 minutes). When I asked to be booked into the Westin as well, the agent simply said they can give us a voucher, but cannot guarantee room availability.
I wrote into UA and they gave the standard "We're sorry" response and gave me a paltry 5000 miles as "a token of appreciation".
Yes I asked and they said it's further out (miles wise yes but driving time wise it's the same 15 minutes). When I asked to be booked into the Westin as well, the agent simply said they can give us a voucher, but cannot guarantee room availability.
I wrote into UA and they gave the standard "We're sorry" response and gave me a paltry 5000 miles as "a token of appreciation".
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They don't care. Long-term 100K flyers are a renewable resource. Some even say they're cheaper to acquire than existing customers
#7
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Staying Star Alliance, but switching carriers over oceans
I don't know that I'm leaving exactly. But being million miler, I have permanent gold status. Even though I'm 1K (140k this year), I'll not fly United on overseas routes - and here is the reason:
With 1K at 11x the airfare, I'm probably looking at 12.1K total redeemable miles for a flight to HKG or PVG on a crusty 747-4, no IFE, no power, pay for alcohol, and a jurassic flight crew.
If I book Asiana, ANA, EVA, or other Star Alliance partner - I get better seat pitch, free alcohol, better meal, IFE, power, and better service, plus. I will pull 12.3k for PVG and 13.8k for HKG both in redeemable miles and advance toward 2 million mile status. Why would I fly UA? To get 1K status - why?
My company will never book me on anything but the lowest fare, hence lowest fare basis code. So, I'll never get any upgrades even if 1K, the fare basis won't put me high enough on the list for upgrade. So what value is 1K?
Essentially - United has given up the back of the bus on over-Pacific flights. For over Atlantic, see above, but substitute Lufthansa, SAS, Swiss or other, better, Star Alliance airline.
I'll stay on UA for the domestic routes, but not International.
Smisek is now in charge of A4A - I imagine now the whining will be louder about "it's not fair" (regarding Asian carriers) - United simply has the worst over-pacific service available. In retrospect - United sounds like the US auto industry in 1985 blaming "unfair" competition while simultaneously offering a vastly inferior product.
With 1K at 11x the airfare, I'm probably looking at 12.1K total redeemable miles for a flight to HKG or PVG on a crusty 747-4, no IFE, no power, pay for alcohol, and a jurassic flight crew.
If I book Asiana, ANA, EVA, or other Star Alliance partner - I get better seat pitch, free alcohol, better meal, IFE, power, and better service, plus. I will pull 12.3k for PVG and 13.8k for HKG both in redeemable miles and advance toward 2 million mile status. Why would I fly UA? To get 1K status - why?
My company will never book me on anything but the lowest fare, hence lowest fare basis code. So, I'll never get any upgrades even if 1K, the fare basis won't put me high enough on the list for upgrade. So what value is 1K?
Essentially - United has given up the back of the bus on over-Pacific flights. For over Atlantic, see above, but substitute Lufthansa, SAS, Swiss or other, better, Star Alliance airline.
I'll stay on UA for the domestic routes, but not International.
Smisek is now in charge of A4A - I imagine now the whining will be louder about "it's not fair" (regarding Asian carriers) - United simply has the worst over-pacific service available. In retrospect - United sounds like the US auto industry in 1985 blaming "unfair" competition while simultaneously offering a vastly inferior product.
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I don't know that I'm leaving exactly. But being million miler, I have permanent gold status. Even though I'm 1K (140k this year), I'll not fly United on overseas routes - and here is the reason:
With 1K at 11x the airfare, I'm probably looking at 12.1K total redeemable miles for a flight to HKG or PVG on a crusty 747-4, no IFE, no power, pay for alcohol, and a jurassic flight crew.
If I book Asiana, ANA, EVA, or other Star Alliance partner - I get better seat pitch, free alcohol, better meal, IFE, power, and better service, plus. I will pull 12.3k for PVG and 13.8k for HKG both in redeemable miles and advance toward 2 million mile status. Why would I fly UA? To get 1K status - why?
My company will never book me on anything but the lowest fare, hence lowest fare basis code. So, I'll never get any upgrades even if 1K, the fare basis won't put me high enough on the list for upgrade. So what value is 1K?
Essentially - United has given up the back of the bus on over-Pacific flights. For over Atlantic, see above, but substitute Lufthansa, SAS, Swiss or other, better, Star Alliance airline.
I'll stay on UA for the domestic routes, but not International.
Smisek is now in charge of A4A - I imagine now the whining will be louder about "it's not fair" (regarding Asian carriers) - United simply has the worst over-pacific service available. In retrospect - United sounds like the US auto industry in 1985 blaming "unfair" competition while simultaneously offering a vastly inferior product.
With 1K at 11x the airfare, I'm probably looking at 12.1K total redeemable miles for a flight to HKG or PVG on a crusty 747-4, no IFE, no power, pay for alcohol, and a jurassic flight crew.
If I book Asiana, ANA, EVA, or other Star Alliance partner - I get better seat pitch, free alcohol, better meal, IFE, power, and better service, plus. I will pull 12.3k for PVG and 13.8k for HKG both in redeemable miles and advance toward 2 million mile status. Why would I fly UA? To get 1K status - why?
My company will never book me on anything but the lowest fare, hence lowest fare basis code. So, I'll never get any upgrades even if 1K, the fare basis won't put me high enough on the list for upgrade. So what value is 1K?
Essentially - United has given up the back of the bus on over-Pacific flights. For over Atlantic, see above, but substitute Lufthansa, SAS, Swiss or other, better, Star Alliance airline.
I'll stay on UA for the domestic routes, but not International.
Smisek is now in charge of A4A - I imagine now the whining will be louder about "it's not fair" (regarding Asian carriers) - United simply has the worst over-pacific service available. In retrospect - United sounds like the US auto industry in 1985 blaming "unfair" competition while simultaneously offering a vastly inferior product.
Last edited by Baze; Jan 2, 2015 at 11:46 am
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While the choice is yours to make .... the most recent data shows all 744's have streaming wifi and over half have economy AC power {& the rest will soon}
We don't know yet, but I would give high odds the RDM earning will change for partners by March 2015. And as mentioned partners do not count for lifetime credit.
We don't know yet, but I would give high odds the RDM earning will change for partners by March 2015. And as mentioned partners do not count for lifetime credit.
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kd_LAX - I completely understand your thinking. Be careful though. In addition to the point Baze makes, mileage earning on Star Alliance partners may change after 3/1/15 if ticket is not booked as a "016" ticket.
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I've basically switched to kayaking. I'll try to burn my 7 remaining GPU's but not sure if that'll happen.
I have 3 trips booked this year, flying B6, DL, QR (Paid Biz), UA (award), TG (Award)
The reality is, I haven't had any awful experiences with them since summer of 2012. The gutting of the redeemable miles, moving to brooklyn and the poor departure times for a number of flights out of EWR (hard to make a <630pm flight on a weeknight, from the city) are all going to drop my mileage markedly.
I have 3 trips booked this year, flying B6, DL, QR (Paid Biz), UA (award), TG (Award)
The reality is, I haven't had any awful experiences with them since summer of 2012. The gutting of the redeemable miles, moving to brooklyn and the poor departure times for a number of flights out of EWR (hard to make a <630pm flight on a weeknight, from the city) are all going to drop my mileage markedly.
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They've started serving prosecco domestically (who knew it came in screw tops?). I think I'll stick around for a little while longer.
Seriously - my first flight of the year was fine. GPU I needed to use before it expires came through (on 1/1, it better!), flight left EWR on time, arrived SFO on time. Crew was very attentive.
Old 757, not that comfortable F seats though I still slept 3 hours, and the old overhead screens for everyone's entertainment. Food was mediocre this time (overcooked steak, broccolini, mashed potatoes, salad, unheated roll). Sundae was good.
It is what it is. It's what I expect, it's what I get.
If you can find another airline that flies from your home airport, to where you need to go, and treats you better, then by all means give them a try.
Seriously - my first flight of the year was fine. GPU I needed to use before it expires came through (on 1/1, it better!), flight left EWR on time, arrived SFO on time. Crew was very attentive.
Old 757, not that comfortable F seats though I still slept 3 hours, and the old overhead screens for everyone's entertainment. Food was mediocre this time (overcooked steak, broccolini, mashed potatoes, salad, unheated roll). Sundae was good.
It is what it is. It's what I expect, it's what I get.
If you can find another airline that flies from your home airport, to where you need to go, and treats you better, then by all means give them a try.
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I'm on target to hit 2MM in 2015, which will then give me Lifetime Platinum, which will then allow me more freedom to "choose" in 2016
But even with that flexibility, I will likely continue to book Star Alliance for my overwater flights and not book UA only like I do today.
But even with that flexibility, I will likely continue to book Star Alliance for my overwater flights and not book UA only like I do today.
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