UAL Reports 1Q-2015 Earnings of $508m Net, 77W Orders, Other Fleet News
#466
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Well then United will be off my "buy" list. The 744 is tight, and I will only do it if its mega-cheaper, and I am going with the family, the 777 in this configuration will be unbelievably bad, even in E+ I will already not book the 787 in Y for this reason. Very short sighted. But I just made gold on DL, so can continue the assent to DM on them.
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So. UA is going to cram in 10-15 extra seats instead of keeping E+ a desireable product? I can't wait to see how they spin this as a flyer friendly move.
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Sorry if I am misunderstanding here - but are you saying that Business (C) cabin will be 3x4x3?
#470
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Here are comments on KLM's 777-300, which has a 10 abreast Economy Comfort configuration (with only 34 inches of pitch there) and 425 (!) seats
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-f...777-300-a.html
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODLxPes2IA
Seat map
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM..._777-300ER.php
And they're going slimline this year
http://thedesignair.net/2014/11/14/k...omy-interiors/
At least on the UA domestic 777 they were considering 9 abreast E+ up to a late stage:
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...-777-retrofits
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/klm-f...777-300-a.html
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HODLxPes2IA
Seat map
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM..._777-300ER.php
And they're going slimline this year
http://thedesignair.net/2014/11/14/k...omy-interiors/
At least on the UA domestic 777 they were considering 9 abreast E+ up to a late stage:
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-a...-777-retrofits
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With this configuration, its pretty safe to say these will do EWR-India flying at the minimum. (I'd hate to be in the rear for EWR-BOM with this configuration). Well the good news is that we will finally see the new BF seat, which will very likely look like AC and QR's new J class seat. I really hope they chose a new fabric design, not something that looks like the early 1990, and a new livery. (Ok never mind, with this management not going to happen). With 3-4-3 in the rear for both Y and Y+, United has officially won the race to the bottom. Hell, even Doug Parker's reconfigured 772s have some regular Y seats nine abreast, costing roughly half of a MCE seat. With these changes, I wouldn't be surprised if J class sees an uptick in purchases. After Delta finished installing direct aisle flat beds on their widebody fleet, management stated J class purchases went up, in some markets significantly.
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After UA management reviewed the following review on China Airlines' 3-4-3 configuration (a sample is given below from seatguru.com), they would declare that we help Americans to slim down inside B777 after a 15 hour trip. This is flyer friendly!!!
"These seats are 17 inches wide most other 777-300ER are at least 18 inches wide. Believe me that 1 inch makes a difference on a 14 + hour flight. If you're 5 foot 7 inches or less tall and 175 lbs or less in weigh the economy seats are ok. China Airlines' 3-4-3 confguration is money making scam., others use 3-3-3 configuration."
"These seats are 17 inches wide most other 777-300ER are at least 18 inches wide. Believe me that 1 inch makes a difference on a 14 + hour flight. If you're 5 foot 7 inches or less tall and 175 lbs or less in weigh the economy seats are ok. China Airlines' 3-4-3 confguration is money making scam., others use 3-3-3 configuration."
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AA's 77Ws have a separate Y+ cabin, fully divided off from the regular Y cabin with its own washrooms (2) and 3-3-3 seating (IIRC 36 seats in total, comp to elites otherwise to full fare Y customers). This gives a very different atmosphere from UA's E+, not unlike BA's WT+ cabin (though no enhanced menu). So far no confirmation that UA's E+ will not be 10 across as with the rest of the Y cabin. Nor that C will be 1-2-1 as on AA's planes.
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AA's 77Ws have a separate Y+ cabin, fully divided off from the regular Y cabin with its own washrooms (2) and 3-3-3 seating (IIRC 36 seats in total, comp to elites otherwise to full fare Y customers). This gives a very different atmosphere from UA's E+, not unlike BA's WT+ cabin (though no enhanced menu). So far no confirmation that UA's E+ will not be 10 across as with the rest of the Y cabin. Nor that C will be 1-2-1 as on AA's planes.
I will keep an open mind until the product is announced officially, but since FT is for speculating, and a pig is a pig even when it wear lipstick, my money is on UA going 1-2-1 in BusinessFirst and 3-4-3 in E- and E+ with the only differential for E+ being an extra few inches of legroom - and the new seat will be a stiff, hard slimback design no more than 17.1" wide (and maybe 16.9" wide) that ups the ante on physical discomfort for long distance flying.
If I am wrong, I will donate $50 to Doctors Without Borders - would anyone else like to join me in taking or opposing that bet? At least one group will win something regardless because in the end, none of us will.
I can imagine Hunter Keay being invited (or inviting himself) to the seat prototype meeting and screaming "not hard enough!! they won't feel their spines. Harder!!"
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#478
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I know the AA product as my friend spends a lot of time there since almost never being able to use their VIPOWS
I will keep an open mind until the product is announced officially, but since FT is for speculating, and a pig is a pig even when it wear lipstick, my money is on UA going 1-2-1 in BusinessFirst and 3-4-3 in E- and E+ with the only differential for E+ being an extra few inches of legroom - and the new seat will be a stiff, hard slimback design no more than 17.1" wide (and maybe 16.9" wide) that ups the ante on physical discomfort for long distance flying.
If I am wrong, I will donate $50 to Doctors Without Borders - would anyone else like to join me in taking or opposing that bet? At least one group will win something regardless because in the end, none of us will.
I can imagine Hunter Keay being invited (or inviting himself) to the seat prototype meeting and screaming "not hard enough!! they won't feel their spines. Harder!!"
I will keep an open mind until the product is announced officially, but since FT is for speculating, and a pig is a pig even when it wear lipstick, my money is on UA going 1-2-1 in BusinessFirst and 3-4-3 in E- and E+ with the only differential for E+ being an extra few inches of legroom - and the new seat will be a stiff, hard slimback design no more than 17.1" wide (and maybe 16.9" wide) that ups the ante on physical discomfort for long distance flying.
If I am wrong, I will donate $50 to Doctors Without Borders - would anyone else like to join me in taking or opposing that bet? At least one group will win something regardless because in the end, none of us will.
I can imagine Hunter Keay being invited (or inviting himself) to the seat prototype meeting and screaming "not hard enough!! they won't feel their spines. Harder!!"
Doctors without pre-boarders, Shirley
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Actually it's being taken away, right out from under your you-know-what.
I thought my pelvis was going to crack last week SEA-IAH in a slimline 320. I might have well sat on a wooden park bench or church pew for 4 hours.
I thought my pelvis was going to crack last week SEA-IAH in a slimline 320. I might have well sat on a wooden park bench or church pew for 4 hours.
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...my money is on UA going 1-2-1 in BusinessFirst and 3-4-3 in E- and E+ with the only differential for E+ being an extra few inches of legroom - and the new seat will be a stiff, hard slimback design no more than 17.1" wide (and maybe 16.9" wide) that ups the ante on physical discomfort for long distance flying.