DL booted, wants UA gates at Dallas Love
Sep 30, 2014, 8:45 am
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Yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Worth,_Texas . 800K people. 17th largest city in the USA.
Sep 30, 2014, 8:50 am
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I am a little surprised that UA didn't decide to do flights to other hubs besides IAH. ORD-DAL and EWR-DAL would have interesting value propositions, I would think.
That said, I do appreciate the 12 flight schedule, though I wish it wasn't only ERJ-145s. But I can consider UA again for going to DAL.
That said, I do appreciate the 12 flight schedule, though I wish it wasn't only ERJ-145s. But I can consider UA again for going to DAL.
Sep 30, 2014, 3:21 pm
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. This "new" UA simply amazes me.
If UA can not compete - bail out. WN will kill UA on this route either way. 50 seat RJ's vs 140+ seat 737's. UA flying every 90 mins. Taking two gates. I hope the DAL airport folks wake up. Where are the FED's on this???? I guess they are running for re-election.
And frankly, how any of this is UAL's fault is beyond me. WN controls 80% of the airport and we're inditing the one who controls 10% and demanding the federal government take away their ownership of their gates? Give me a break.
Sep 30, 2014, 4:01 pm
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Sep 30, 2014, 5:31 pm
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Thee is some prime real estate at the end of the E concourse at ORD that I am sure UA would love to get, its too bad DL uses them on. Perhaps every chip is needed when playing poker, including the "under utilized" ones.
Sep 30, 2014, 5:34 pm
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90 minute turns on an RJ is about right IME. United Express is an unreliable operation and the operators of the 50 seat ERJs are among the least reliable.
As for competing with WN:
- a single flyer would rather sit alone in the left side of the ERJ than on 737
- a pair of flyers would rather sit together but apart from other travelers on the right side of the ERJ than the 737
- except if two of the three add small children, a party of three is more comfortable on the 1-2 row of an ERJ than three seats together on a 737
- a party of four would rather be split into two groups of two on the right side of the ERJ than have at least one group elbowing a stranger.
- a party of five would rather be split into groups of 1, 2, and 2 on the ERJ than have one group elbowing a stranger on the 737
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1-2 seating trumps 3-3 seating every time.
As for competing with WN:
- a single flyer would rather sit alone in the left side of the ERJ than on 737
- a pair of flyers would rather sit together but apart from other travelers on the right side of the ERJ than the 737
- except if two of the three add small children, a party of three is more comfortable on the 1-2 row of an ERJ than three seats together on a 737
- a party of four would rather be split into two groups of two on the right side of the ERJ than have at least one group elbowing a stranger.
- a party of five would rather be split into groups of 1, 2, and 2 on the ERJ than have one group elbowing a stranger on the 737
...
1-2 seating trumps 3-3 seating every time.
Sep 30, 2014, 5:50 pm
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IMO it's very different for the D/FW metroplex, because essentially it is laid out flat like a perfect chessboard, yet economic activities are disproportional. "Fort Worth" is, of course, a tongue in cheek allusion to the fact that, even though Fort Worth is also growing, much of the growth is happening on the Dallas side -- Carrollton, Garland, Richardson, McKinney, Plano (home of Frito-Lay and soon the new N.A. home of Toyota), etc. Of the Fortune 500 companies based in the Metroplex, all but two (Gamestop and Radio Shack) are on the Dallas side. There is a distinct, viable commercial aviation market for Dallas in addition to DFW, but the same cannot be said for Fort Worth.
Even back during the CAB era, Dallas (Love) had more airline service than Fort Worth (Meacham). Even more offensive (to some) was how airlines sometimes operated Fort Worth as a tag-on to/from Dallas.
Added: IMO, the fact that UA has never started ORD/EWR-DAL after these years post-merger (nor does it seem like they've given them much thought by not jumping on them now) shows how staid the current management strategy is.
Even back during the CAB era, Dallas (Love) had more airline service than Fort Worth (Meacham). Even more offensive (to some) was how airlines sometimes operated Fort Worth as a tag-on to/from Dallas.
Added: IMO, the fact that UA has never started ORD/EWR-DAL after these years post-merger (nor does it seem like they've given them much thought by not jumping on them now) shows how staid the current management strategy is.
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