The OTG Airport Experience at EWR
Sep 17, 2014, 1:16 pm
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It is an article ... and hopefully they have more in depth discussion/details some where ... however ... it seems to be missing the biggest gripe areas ..
Ingress points to security at all three with A Terminal being the worst. My favorite recent memory is a hot summer day, muggy, and then waiting in the purgartory shoot for 30 minutes after TSA entry but before the security scan.
How about an inter-terminal connector, so one could use precheck in C and get to A or B if desired ...
C isn't bad ... just really big with a long commute between gates .... but that being said .... C71 ..... stairs anyone .... but I always used it as my workout for the week ...
The only thing I can see is Terminal C has alot of space that is wasted ... so honestly, I could see them migrating the united folks from the other A ... and move B to that location ... then have the port redo the original B and migrate / swap back ... and do the same thing to A .... they can do something similar to PHL where they have an expedited walkway .....
Ingress points to security at all three with A Terminal being the worst. My favorite recent memory is a hot summer day, muggy, and then waiting in the purgartory shoot for 30 minutes after TSA entry but before the security scan.
How about an inter-terminal connector, so one could use precheck in C and get to A or B if desired ...
C isn't bad ... just really big with a long commute between gates .... but that being said .... C71 ..... stairs anyone .... but I always used it as my workout for the week ...
The only thing I can see is Terminal C has alot of space that is wasted ... so honestly, I could see them migrating the united folks from the other A ... and move B to that location ... then have the port redo the original B and migrate / swap back ... and do the same thing to A .... they can do something similar to PHL where they have an expedited walkway .....
Sep 17, 2014, 2:22 pm
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For the most part those support massive hub and spoke airlines like SQ or EK. You'll never see an airport like those in the US.............but I agree it would be nice.
Sep 17, 2014, 2:46 pm
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Anything they do will help .... heck I like PHL Terminal F over EWR ....
Sep 17, 2014, 3:28 pm
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As long as they keep the oyster bar, the rest, I don't care much, one way or the other.
If they have money to spend, I would spend it in IAD. That place isn't designed to receive that many people, and my understanding is, they want to keep it as a hub (especially since EWR is pretty much maxed out).
If they have money to spend, I would spend it in IAD. That place isn't designed to receive that many people, and my understanding is, they want to keep it as a hub (especially since EWR is pretty much maxed out).
Take up the issues on IAD with MWAA. No airline is ready to create or expand an international hub there until they get their act together.
Sep 17, 2014, 8:09 pm
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Where in the world would you build a world class airport in the NYC area? There is too much development already and no appropriate space for such a project. Unless they create land by reclamation, which would have been a disaster when Hurricane Sandy hit, there is no suitable location. Otherwise, you'd have to do a massive eminent domain purchase to clear the space--and in a democratic nation that isn't an easy thing to do. The voters have a say. With the jurisdictional issues in NYC being some of the most complicated in the country, it gets even more problematic.
Outpaced? By the fact that some other countries have been able to build much nicer airports than ours? Well, if you think that United Arab Emirates, Singapore, South Korea, and China are outpacing us in the things that matter most to you--presumably not airport quality--then I think your priorities might be different than mine!
The "outpacing of America" is a bit overstated IMO, just as the "USA is No. 1" is overstated. It's hyperbole and good for a soundbite, but it doesn't reflect the actual situation. We aren't being left in the dust because our airports aren't as impressive as others. People still want to come to the USA more than any other country in the world, after all.
I wish the USA had better airports, too. But I understand some of the reasons why we don't. All we can do is work within the confines of what is available to us...as well as the cost/benefit to all of us.
Outpaced? By the fact that some other countries have been able to build much nicer airports than ours? Well, if you think that United Arab Emirates, Singapore, South Korea, and China are outpacing us in the things that matter most to you--presumably not airport quality--then I think your priorities might be different than mine!
The "outpacing of America" is a bit overstated IMO, just as the "USA is No. 1" is overstated. It's hyperbole and good for a soundbite, but it doesn't reflect the actual situation. We aren't being left in the dust because our airports aren't as impressive as others. People still want to come to the USA more than any other country in the world, after all.
I wish the USA had better airports, too. But I understand some of the reasons why we don't. All we can do is work within the confines of what is available to us...as well as the cost/benefit to all of us.
...or barely adequate infrastructure....
Sep 17, 2014, 10:03 pm
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Yeah .... thank god for the Admiral's club ... it is the little slice of heaven in that arm-pit of an airport ..... I just wish they had a connector between the A side or the bus went from C -> A, since I don't mind the steak or sushi place .... plus the ability to get some exercise walking the terminal is nice ...
Anything they do will help .... heck I like PHL Terminal F over EWR ....
Anything they do will help .... heck I like PHL Terminal F over EWR ....
There are rumors of a massive renovation/reconstruction for Terminal A, but who knows when that will actually happen.
Sep 17, 2014, 11:30 pm
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Where in the world would you build a world class airport in the NYC area? There is too much development already and no appropriate space for such a project. Unless they create land by reclamation, which would have been a disaster when Hurricane Sandy hit, there is no suitable location. Otherwise, you'd have to do a massive eminent domain purchase to clear the space--and in a democratic nation that isn't an easy thing to do. The voters have a say. With the jurisdictional issues in NYC being some of the most complicated in the country, it gets even more problematic.
A long term answer, but one which is not going to happen any time soon, if ever, would be to finally build up SWF: new terminals and rail connections to Manhattan have long been proposed. All mucked up in a combination of democracy, politics, and mismanagement (both public and private). At only 60mi out of the city, there is no technological reason that one could not build ultra-fast public transit connections. Don't hold one's breath...
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Sep 17, 2014, 11:46 pm
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they are all over YYZ T1.
What they did was take over virtually all the hold room area (where you sit to wait for your flight) with ipads that let you order food and bev.
I think its a bit obnoxious myself, but might be a much better option for F&B than anyone will get onboard
What they did was take over virtually all the hold room area (where you sit to wait for your flight) with ipads that let you order food and bev.
I think its a bit obnoxious myself, but might be a much better option for F&B than anyone will get onboard
Sep 18, 2014, 3:40 am
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Apart from improving EWR capacity and rebuilding terminals A, B, one could start by demolishing JFK terminals and building a fresh, but that isn't going to happen.
A long term answer, but one which is not going to happen any time soon, if ever, would be to finally build up SWF: new terminals and rail connections to Manhattan have long been proposed. All mucked up in a combination of democracy, politics, and mismanagement (both public and private). At only 60km out of the city, there is no technological reason that one could not build ultra-fast public transit connections. Don't hold one's breath...
A long term answer, but one which is not going to happen any time soon, if ever, would be to finally build up SWF: new terminals and rail connections to Manhattan have long been proposed. All mucked up in a combination of democracy, politics, and mismanagement (both public and private). At only 60km out of the city, there is no technological reason that one could not build ultra-fast public transit connections. Don't hold one's breath...
Such as extending the PATH to EWR (which is in the pipeline)
Sep 18, 2014, 4:39 am
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Using the PATH as the EWR monorail would have been the proper way to go. It could have functioned like SEPTA's Airport Line, a single seat ride from the city (World Trade Center) to the airport. They wouldn't have even needed to build the EWR rail station. Transfers occur at Newark Penn.
Sep 18, 2014, 6:00 am
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Using the PATH as the EWR monorail would have been the proper way to go. It could have functioned like SEPTA's Airport Line, a single seat ride from the city (World Trade Center) to the airport. They wouldn't have even needed to build the EWR rail station. Transfers occur at Newark Penn.
They would have also needed to increase the frequency significantly (during the middle of the night and on weekends, it can be once every 20-30 minutes!)