United Flight Attendant Q&A Thread [2013 and Onward]
Oct 22, 2014, 9:23 pm
#76
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If a flight crew has a multi-day layover do they get paid for the days between flights? Back in March I was on a EWR-LIS flight and while waiting for the door to open I struck up a conversation with a FA who said they 3 day layover before returning. Ever since I've been wondering, among other things, if those 3 days were unpaid.
Oct 22, 2014, 9:26 pm
#77
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If a flight crew has a multi-day layover do they get paid for the days between flights? Back in March I was on a EWR-LIS flight and while waiting for the door to open I struck up a conversation with a FA who said they 3 day layover before returning. Ever since I've been wondering, among other things, if those 3 days were unpaid.
O.
Trip Rig
Prior to pairing origination, each trip pairing that contains
a scheduled rest period of over twenty nine hours (29:00)
shall have the following minimum pay value added to
line value, or the flight time, whichever is greater:
1.
A flight attendant who departs her/his base on a trip
pairing shall receive a minimum of one hour (1:00)
of pay for each four hours (4:00) elapsed period,
prorated until s/he returns to her/his base.
2.
Such trip rig pay shall be computed so as to include
the time required to report for duty prior to flight, but
not less than one hour (1:00), and the time
subsequent to her/his return including the fifteen
minutes (:15) continuation of duty time after a trip
arrives at the block (thirty minutes (:30) for trips
when Customs clearance is required).
3.
A flight attendant’s trip rig pay will be based on
scheduled or actual duty time, whichever is greater.
4.
The difference between the flying pay earned during
such period and the minimum pay provided in this
paragraph shall be computed as an extension of
the final portion of the return trip to such flight attendant's base.
Oct 22, 2014, 9:37 pm
#78
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O.
Trip Rig
Prior to pairing origination, each trip pairing that contains
a scheduled rest period of over twenty nine hours (29:00)
shall have the following minimum pay value added to
line value, or the flight time, whichever is greater:
1.
A flight attendant who departs her/his base on a trip
pairing shall receive a minimum of one hour (1:00)
of pay for each four hours (4:00) elapsed period,
prorated until s/he returns to her/his base.
2.
Such trip rig pay shall be computed so as to include
the time required to report for duty prior to flight, but
not less than one hour (1:00), and the time
subsequent to her/his return including the fifteen
minutes (:15) continuation of duty time after a trip
arrives at the block (thirty minutes (:30) for trips
when Customs clearance is required).
3.
A flight attendant’s trip rig pay will be based on
scheduled or actual duty time, whichever is greater.
4.
The difference between the flying pay earned during
such period and the minimum pay provided in this
paragraph shall be computed as an extension of
the final portion of the return trip to such flight attendant's base.
Trip Rig
Prior to pairing origination, each trip pairing that contains
a scheduled rest period of over twenty nine hours (29:00)
shall have the following minimum pay value added to
line value, or the flight time, whichever is greater:
1.
A flight attendant who departs her/his base on a trip
pairing shall receive a minimum of one hour (1:00)
of pay for each four hours (4:00) elapsed period,
prorated until s/he returns to her/his base.
2.
Such trip rig pay shall be computed so as to include
the time required to report for duty prior to flight, but
not less than one hour (1:00), and the time
subsequent to her/his return including the fifteen
minutes (:15) continuation of duty time after a trip
arrives at the block (thirty minutes (:30) for trips
when Customs clearance is required).
3.
A flight attendant’s trip rig pay will be based on
scheduled or actual duty time, whichever is greater.
4.
The difference between the flying pay earned during
such period and the minimum pay provided in this
paragraph shall be computed as an extension of
the final portion of the return trip to such flight attendant's base.
en Inglés por favor
anglicky, prosím (that would be in my native tongue).
Oct 22, 2014, 10:02 pm
#79
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Basically any pairing that has scheduled layover of 29:00 (29 hours) or longer will have a minimum of 1:00 (1 hour) of pay for every 4:00 (4 hours) elapsed. This will be happening a lot during the winter months when a few of the European trips are not daily and crews have 2, 3 & 4 day layovers.
Oct 22, 2014, 10:09 pm
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Basically any pairing that has scheduled layover of 29:00 (29 hours) or longer will have a minimum of 1:00 (1 hour) of pay for every 4:00 (4 hours) elapsed. This will be happening a lot during the winter months when a few of the European trips are not daily and crews have 2, 3 & 4 day layovers.
Merci (do remember a little of my high school French)
Thanks
Oct 22, 2014, 10:24 pm
#81
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The upside is on the sCO side we now have many more base options...the downside not enough FAs transferred to them to support the flying. The sCO bases in EWR, LAX, SFO, DEN & ORD are below targeted staffing levels, but have surpluses in IAH & CLE. Meanwhile over on the sUA side they are short in IAH, SFO & JFK, but have surpluses in LAX, DEN & ORD. The base imbalances are affecting flight attendant scheduling efficiency, the quality of pairings, ability to trip trade, line averages and overall quality of life.
Also a combined total of 900 FAs (300 from sCO, 600 from sUA) I wrote earlier it was 600 (300 from each side) will be relocated.
sCO:
250 moves out of IAH
50 moves out of CLE
25 moves into EWR
75 moves into LAX
125 moves into SFO
25 moves into DEN
50 moves into ORD
sUA:
200 moves out of LAX
200 moves out of DEN
200 moves out of ORD
100 moves into IAH
350 moves into JFK
150 moves into SFO
Of course these numbers are always subject to change between now and October.
Also a combined total of 900 FAs (300 from sCO, 600 from sUA) I wrote earlier it was 600 (300 from each side) will be relocated.
sCO:
250 moves out of IAH
50 moves out of CLE
25 moves into EWR
75 moves into LAX
125 moves into SFO
25 moves into DEN
50 moves into ORD
sUA:
200 moves out of LAX
200 moves out of DEN
200 moves out of ORD
100 moves into IAH
350 moves into JFK
150 moves into SFO
Of course these numbers are always subject to change between now and October.
Work hard, fly stupid is more like it.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Oct 22, 2014 at 11:12 pm Reason: language
Oct 24, 2014, 12:35 pm
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Oct 24, 2014, 1:18 pm
#84
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On a related note, have any numbers been rumored on the buyouts? If I recall it's still early in the timeline for them to be processed.
I think it's nice to hear the workforce is growing. Buyouts aren't awesome, but if Chicago can justify the one-time expense in order to build the workforce they need in the future then more power to them.
Oct 24, 2014, 3:42 pm
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sCO has a HUGE commuter population. I seriously doubt the "no commuter" rule.
Oct 24, 2014, 6:27 pm
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Oct 25, 2014, 4:57 am
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Oct 29, 2014, 7:38 pm
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