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Old Feb 28, 2013, 10:59 am
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Note: There is a reasonable chance (increasing as this 3-class config is retrofitted to remove 3-class F) this configuration may be switch to Everything You Want to Know About Where to Sit on a 777-200 v5 / Polaris seats / 77J -- so United is often showing a weird seatmap for flights on these planes, reflecting the effort to convert to Polaris Business (without First Class), Premium Economy, and 10-across Y. A discussion of that seatmap is in this thread: Interim 772 seat map with Polaris & potentially Premium Economy (2018)

United has relabeled their site and Version 2 is now Version 1
This thread is about the 3 class 772 and there is only one version being used -- and it will be phased out with time.

Note: This Wiki and thread are devoted to the pmUA 3-Cabin 777 Version 2. There is a second thread, now locked, devoted to Version 1, with a shorter Wiki (this one addresses all questions, whereas that one addresses only Version 1-specific issues. This thread should be used for discussion of Version 2, although older posts may refer to Version 1 (they were split 8/30/14). Version 1 is no longer in service (12 Feb 2017).

If you are looking for information about the new 777-200 with Polaris configuration, that is available here: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...xperience.html

And, if you're looking for the thread about pmCO 777, it's here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ational-5.html

Here is the version 2 seat map:



Version 1 vs. Version 2
Until late 2016, there were two versions of the international 3-class pmUA airplane.
"Version 1" on the United website has 8 First, 40 Business, and 218 coach seats. (No longer in service)
"Version 21" has 8 First, 40 Business, and 221 coach seats. (formerly Version 2 is now Version 1).

Generally speaking, Version 1 was an "XD" configuration with a shorter range (777-200) that flew transatlantic routes (TATL). Version 2 has a longer range and are either an "XJ" or "XQ" configuration of the 777-200ER that flew transpacific routes (TPAC), as well as other longer routes, and now flies all international routes on which a pmUA 777 is used.

There are two noticeable differences between the two, but they are otherwise virtually indistinguishable to the typical passenger and the seating is essentially the same.
  1. Version 1 had crew rest seats towards the back of the economy plus cabin. Version 2 has crew rest below the main deck.
  2. In order to accommodate access to the crew rest area on Version 2, this version has one fewer lavatory in the mid-cabin (2 instead of 3). Yes, it is unfortunate that there is one less bathroom on a plane that typically flies some of the longest routes UA flies (6000+ miles).

Both Version 1 and Version 2 have virtually identical F and C cabins, and nearly identical Y cabins, so most information about seats applies to both versions.

Detailed seat maps are available at:
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Uni...-200_3_New.php

AVOD (Audio Video On Demand) is available at every seat, the first UA plane to equipped this way. The first 777-200 in this configuration started flying in April 2010, and will probably take 18-24 months before the entire 777 international fleets are converted. The entire fleet of this plane is equipped with the AVOD system, although audio is no longer "on demand" and is instead a loop of songs in a playlist.

First Class (As UA has ceased selling 3-class F, this cabin will be treated as an extension of the Business cabin -- same service. Generally UA is allowing GS pre-select these seats prior to check-in)3-class First seats now considered Domestic F/Polaris Business & selectable by 1K/GSs
There are only eight First suites, instead of the 10 or 12 in the older 777 configurations. These suites are spacious, with a wide full-flat bed, and plenty of storage spaces. A big difference is the way the new seats are angled toward the aisle, as opposed to angling away. This makes couples traveling together have an awkward time if they take the middle pairs. For single travelers, for sure the individual suites along the side of the fuselage is better. Even for people traveling together, consider taking adjacent seats across the aisle, so you can see each other. Sharing of meals and quiet conversation would be difficult across the aisle would be difficult however.

The First glass galley is concentrated on the right side, so it is probably best to avoid the right aisle if given a choice, and consider seat 2A be the best on this configuration.

As for window view, all of the window suites have plenty of windows, but with the angling of the seats away from the window, it is much harder to look out of them.

Business Class
Equipped with full-flat 180-degree seats similar to the (now-familiar) ones on the 767-300 and 747-400. Divided into two cabins, front cabins has two rows, and three rows in the rear cabin, with the galley and lavatory between these two cabins.

In order to fit eight Business Class seats across, these seats are narrower than the previous recliners that are only 7 across. Even with the arm-rest that can be lowered, these seats do feel relatively snug. The benefit is a full flat sleeping surface, albeit forcing the inside passengers to step over a sleeping neighbor in order to access the aisle. A taller, nimble person may be able to climb over a sleeping neighbor without disrupting them, but for anyone with less height, short legs, or less general flexibility this could be difficult.

The general view is that the preferred row is row 6, since it is the first row and relatively far away from the facilities. If boarding is via L2, you turn left and most of the rest of the passengers will turn right and resulted in much less traffic through your area.

Note that the 777 cabin is about 9 inches narrower than the 747 cabin, with the exact same number of seats, so you will most likely notice the difference, perhaps most so as you are going down the aisles.

Half of the seats are rear-facing. Once the plane levels out you are unlikely to notice this. Only during takeoff and landing is the sensation different than you are accustomed to. Some people express a preference for the rear-facing seats because the pitch of the plane during level flight means your head is slightly elevated relative to your feet.

All four of the middle block seats in each row faces the same direction, the same for all five rows. For what its worth, note that 7A and 7K are missing a window at the foot end of the seat, against the bulkhead (but there are still two windows).

Row 8 is probably the least desirable, since it is closest to the facilities. 8C and 8H most likely would notice the most traffic to the lavatories and galley, and light from the lavs will shine on these seats when the door is opened. The view out of windows in this second cabin is either back toward the wing, or partially being blocked. 10A and 10K also have a middle window next to the seat as well. 10B and 10J might notice FA traffic through the near-by curtain more so than others.

Economy Plus
With the reconfiguration into 3-3-3 vs 2-5-2, there are only four pairs of seats in coach, and all are located in the Economy Plus section.

20AB and 20JK are probably the best coach seats, fully shielded by the bulk-head in front of them, with good legroom as well. 19DEG are the bassinet positions, so beware of that. The curtain separating Business Class is in front of you, but probably is far enough away that it is not really a problem. Since the facilities are in the back, you have a long way to go to the lavatory, but it also meant very little passenger traffic passing by your seat. You also get to be the first Economy passengers to deplane and through immigration. A couple downsides are that your view out the window is mostly the wing, and there is no under-seat storage in front of you. The AVOD system folks up from below the armrest, which means it must be stored during takeoff and landing.

21C and 21H are interesting, since they have unlimited legroom with no seat in front of them. This mean no under-seat storage in front, and trays are in the arm-rest, making the seat feel slightly narrower, and your monitor is mounted on a swing arm. With your feet extended, just beware that people and carts passing through might occasionally bump you.

There is a missing window around row 23 and 24, so choose another row if you want a view looking mostly at the wings. However, while Row 24 is missing a window, there is still one window available.

The other two pairs of seats are the last row of this Economy Plus cabin, at 31AB and 31JK. Note that there is only one window for 31A and 31J (rather than 1.5 to 2), and this row is near the lavatories, so certainly more traffic. You are also just in front of the emergency exit, so people sometimes congregate in the area just behind you.

Best to avoid 30C and 30H, since there is no seat behind them, and their seatbacks could be used as hand-grabs by passengers passing through, or occasionally being bumped by carts.

Power ports are available in all of economy, one port for the seat-pairs, and two for each three seat cluster. The outlet is mounted just under the seat cushion edge, so a bit hard to access unless you know where to look.

33ABC and 33HJK are the exit row seats, near the lavatory, and subjected to people congregating in front of you. No under-seat storage in front, and trays and LCD screens are in arm-rest and swing-arms respectively, making the seat feel narrower. 33A and 33K do not have a window, although they are probably far enough away from the exit slide that legroom is not really an issue.

34DEG is the bulk-head row, video monitor on the wall, and this is also the bassinet position. Decent legroom, but again no under-seat storage.

Economy Class

The galley is in the back of the plane, as well as another two lavatories, so there will be more traffic through the back of the plane.

Rows 43-46 probably are the last to be assigned, or often reserved for tour groups with no advance seat assignment. They might also be more likely to be unassigned on occasions, and therefore somewhat likely to have an adjacent seat open for you to gamble on. You would, however, be the last to deplane and through immigration, and the back of the plane does get a little more motion especially through turbulence.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 5:37 pm
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Originally Posted by drewguy
I like 7K a lot, and I haven't found galley noise or light to be any more of an issue than other seats - it's a bit around the corner of the bulkhead.
Thanks for the input! ^ I'll keep watching the seat map, so if 6A opens up I'll grab it, otherwise I think 7K will work.
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Old Jun 13, 2017, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by BigPoppaCO
Hi All,
I'm flying EWR-FRA later this week in the back of the bus. I spent a ton of time on this thread and I still can't tell if 29DEG are better coach seats due to crew rest. If someone can help me out:

1) are these the best seats in Y outside of row 20 (which isn't available)
2) does this flight qualify for crew rest? Or put another way, if I book row 29 now will I get booted?

Thanks!
The configuration with 29/30DEG as crew rest (the former Version 1) is no longer in service (they've all been converted to the 77G / domestic configuration with 3-4-3 in Y). The remaining sUA 772s (then Version 2, now Version 1) all have crew rest bunks so rows 29/30 are normal E+ seats, which is what you'll find on EWR-FRA.

If you're travelling with a partner and don't mind the lav noise 31AB/JK are probably the way to go, if not I don't think there's any difference between the rest of the E+ seats. I'd go for a seat near the back of the E+ cabin since if E- is full E+ seats are usually filled from the front to the back, so as to maximize the odds of having an empty middle.
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Old Jun 14, 2017, 8:03 pm
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Originally Posted by truncated
The configuration with 29/30DEG as crew rest (the former Version 1) is no longer in service (they've all been converted to the 77G / domestic configuration with 3-4-3 in Y). The remaining sUA 772s (then Version 2, now Version 1) all have crew rest bunks so rows 29/30 are normal E+ seats, which is what you'll find on EWR-FRA.

If you're travelling with a partner and don't mind the lav noise 31AB/JK are probably the way to go, if not I don't think there's any difference between the rest of the E+ seats. I'd go for a seat near the back of the E+ cabin since if E- is full E+ seats are usually filled from the front to the back, so as to maximize the odds of having an empty middle.

Thank you very much. I'm in the aisle with no seat in front of it now (21, maybe) so I'll keep that for now. If I can snag a whole row at T-24 I will. I'm kind of shocked my GPU won't clear; flight is showing J1 as of today. I'm a 1K on a B-fare. Oh well
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Old Jun 14, 2017, 8:12 pm
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Is 8K a problem? I know it's close to the lavs and it's not as private as rows 6 and 7. But I just want to make sure 8K isn't a problem, and if it is, whether or not 6D is really any better. Thanks. Note: This is on a NRT-IAD flight, so long and overnight.
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Old Jun 14, 2017, 9:23 pm
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Originally Posted by UAL250
Is 8K a problem? I know it's close to the lavs and it's not as private as rows 6 and 7. But I just want to make sure 8K isn't a problem, and if it is, whether or not 6D is really any better. Thanks. Note: This is on a NRT-IAD flight, so long and overnight.
I've never had an issue with noise from the bathroom in 8K. And you don't get the light when the door opens. There seems to be good sound insulation.
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Old Jun 28, 2017, 7:28 am
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6 C/H...any issues with light coming from the galley or no?
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Old Jun 28, 2017, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by DenverA
6 C/H...any issues with light coming from the galley or no?
Never had problems with either. Certainly better than 7B/J.
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Old Jun 28, 2017, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by DenverA
6 C/H...any issues with light coming from the galley or no?
Seats 6C/H are far enough away from the galley that the lights do not bother. My wife does not like to sleep with masks and she slept for 7 hours in 6H on our return from PEK.
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Old Jun 29, 2017, 9:46 am
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I'm currently booked into 7A on ORD-NRT/NRT-IAD in a few weeks for a solo trip. Unfortunately, all of the decent aisle seats have been snapped up and I am not used to sitting in a window seat without a co-worker or partner next to me in the aisle. I know this is silly, but I feel so odd potentially climbing over a sleeping stranger to stretch my legs or head to the lav. I have a seat alert set and am hoping to obtain an aisle seat. Otherwise, is the upgrade with miles+copay to F worth it for a solo seat further up front?
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Old Jun 29, 2017, 10:17 am
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Otherwise, is the upgrade with miles+copay to F worth it for a solo seat further up front?
It's a good upgrade on this aircraft both for the aisle access and the additional personal space.

The "price" in miles and cash is fairly high . . . whether it's worth it only you can determine.
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Old Jul 1, 2017, 5:05 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee
It's a good upgrade on this aircraft both for the aisle access and the additional personal space.

The "price" in miles and cash is fairly high . . . whether it's worth it only you can determine.
Thanks so much. I am going to see if something opens up, but if not I will probably upgrade since F is wide open!
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Old Jul 21, 2017, 2:40 am
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I'm doing BRU-ORD in GF, will I get re-assigned seats if I will take seat 2A? or am I safe to choose that seat.
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Old Jul 21, 2017, 4:32 am
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Originally Posted by justsawaufo
I'm doing BRU-ORD in GF, will I get re-assigned seats if I will take seat 2A? or am I safe to choose that seat.
You should not. Pilot rest, if needed, is in Biz.
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Old Jul 21, 2017, 5:59 am
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The "K" seats are more commonly rest seats, and they can be moved around a bit or not used at all. On our last trip, one way, a pilot had 1K (I had 2K. Coming home the pilots were both in the bunks, I had 2C, and two GS had 1K and 2K
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Old Sep 6, 2017, 5:11 pm
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I had 7A for my upcoming NRT-ORD but saw 6A was open so I took it.

I usually prefer the backward facing seats but also covet 6A to be next to the mostly empty crew rest. I see 7A is still available and I could take it back.

What would you do?
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